04 Jun 2016 13:01:14
Ed033, not unlike the appointment of Jose himself there seems to be a split in opinion of the poster's on this page on the potential signing of zlatan.
Can you run 2 polls please.
1. Are you in favour of Zlatan Ibrahimovic signing with Manchester United?
2. Do you think Zlatan Ibrahimovic will score 20 plus goals next season if he signs for Manchester United?
Thanks it is a reasonable way of gauging opinion.
Ken.
{Ed033's Note - 2 x voting Polls
In favour of Zlatan
Zlatan score 20+ goals
04 Jun 2016 13:55:09
Has any one said he won't score 20 goals?
04 Jun 2016 14:32:55
Presume the 36% that say No are probably supporters of other teams!
If he stays fit then he gets us 20 goals.
Look at his stats! It tends to give you a clue as to what he will achieve as a mininum.
04 Jun 2016 14:55:47
Look at the leagues he's played in. When it came to La Liga he wasn't great. Although they didn't make him the main man but even Henry looked abit out of sorts when he played there.
04 Jun 2016 15:08:59
There is no split on mourinho as far as I'm concerned. He's one of the top three managers in the world and anyone not wanting him is not thinking with their head.
Ibra is an amazing player who will benefit us tremendously if signed. He's very fit so his age should not present a problem.
So hopefully there are no splits of opinion and let's get behind the manager and all the players.
04 Jun 2016 15:12:34
A striker for Jose will get 20 goals, martial scored 17 for lvg playing on the wing .
Ibra has been a great player, scored a lot of goals in Italy some in Spain (didn't really work out for him in Spain ) and a shed load in France for psg.
It would be great to see a superstar name like ibra in the epl and a United shirt .
Just like it was with Bastian, I remember the excitement when we signed him last summer and everything he was going to bring to the team .
My issue is I think to build a team you need to look long term, I would rather we bought a player that was going to take the team forward over the next 5 to 6 years .
We need another attacking player, if we buy ibra and it looks like we are, in 12 month we will again need an other attacking player .
As opposed if we buy a player that could be at the club for 5 year in 12 month he has 12 month experience and he and we as a team are ready to kick on .
I also have an issue with buying players in there mid 30s with no epl experience looking for a last pay day .
When ever we get linked to a player in the media, that player suddenly becomes exactly what we need .
Everyone wanted a quick mobile striker a month ago .
As a fan it would 100% be great to see ibra in a United shirt .
But imo, I would rather we went with a younger player, a player to build the team not just for the now but for the future .
A player that has time to adapt to the epl.
And also a player with pace that can stretch the defence run the channels .
I'm pretty sure that's the type of player everyone wanted until ibra was available and became. Exactly what we need .
Truth is we have a fantastic talent in martial who for me looks every bit as good as Kane (if not better ) at the same age .
I would love to see us start to build a team around him and make him the main man like spurs have with Kane.
Martial, rash depay linders plus 1 more could make up our front 3 for the next 5 years .
But of course there is more than 1 way to skin a cat.
04 Jun 2016 15:57:16
100 percent jred.
I think you might have read something I posted similar to you some weeks ago. I would have preferred a player like griezemann etc.
But now it looks like he is here, I hope that Jose strengthens in CM and RW with plenty of pace. I am sure Ibra will do well for the year we sign him.
04 Jun 2016 14:01:21
Yes jred, its a close one for 20 goals.
04 Jun 2016 16:04:38
Angel
I must of missed it to be honest .
But great minds think alike ;)
04 Jun 2016 16:31:01
Jred - Buying a player like Griezmann would effectively ensure that Rashford never reaches his full potential and never makes it at Manchester United.
Zlatan will not start every game next season as a result of his age and will not finish every game that he starts (he was subbed off 16 times last season for club and country) . This will give Rashford plenty of minutes up top (more so if Jose plays with two up front in some of the smaller games) as well as somebody to learn from.
In twelve months time we will either sign Zlatan on for another year in which he will play less - giving Rashford even more playing time - or Zlatan will leave the club all together which will give Rash a chance to make the position his own.
Do you honestly think that would be the case if we signed Griezmann? Do you honestly think that Griezmann would be any more of a banker when it comes to being successful for that matter (Zlatan's goals per game ration in La Liga was 0.55 whilst Griezmann's is 0.35 - and Zlat has also proven himself in 3 other top leagues)?
04 Jun 2016 17:03:17
Red
Where to start?
Griezmann at 25 years old, best years ahead of him, quick clever player could be at the club at the very top of his games for the next 5 year.
Ibra about to turn 35 we could have him for 12 month .
I would go for the griezmann deal 10 times out of 10.
I hope as a club we don't start buying 35 year-old players looking for a final pay day ahead of the next top players like the griezmanns of this world .
A front 3 that can interchange and take the club forward over the next 5 years sounds good to me . Martial, rash, griez.
Griezmann or that type of mobile modern player at a good age of 25 would be a great deal.
No idea how zlatan getting subbed for Sweden would give rashford games.
I think your trying to make a case for buying ibra but I'm not really sure even yourself would buy a top 35 year old over a top 25 year old .
There are a number of reason I think that is nuts.
{Ed004's Note - Just curious does anyone think a front 3 of Martial, Ibra and Griezmann would work? Would give us the option of playing Griezmann as a striker if there are injuries or Zlatan doesn't adjust to the league. Also means there isn't too much pressure on Rashford this season. However, Griezmann seems to excel playing behind the striker}
04 Jun 2016 17:06:50
Also the whole world does not revolve around given rash games, that is only 1 aspect of larger issue, of what type of transfer and transfer policy people would like to see the team adopt .
04 Jun 2016 17:07:50
I don't care how many goals he scores as long as he helps the team.
04 Jun 2016 17:50:36
Jred -
Personally I would look at signing Griezmann to play on the right if it's at all possible but can certainly see the merits of signing Zlat. Moreover I detest the arrogance that United fans show when it comes to signings. The notion that any player is available if we want them and that they would all jump at the chance to play for us ahead of other big clubs is just ridiculous.
On paper Griezmann looks like a good option when it comes to securing a longterm attacking player (assuming he were to succeed in the EPL) - but even if we had any chance of signing him and splashed out silly money to bring him in - there is nothing to say that Griezmann wouldn't be tempted by a move to Bayern/ Real/ Barcelona a few years down the line (at which point Rash may have forced a move elsewhere to get game time) .
The point I was making above was that Zlat failed to complete the full 90 minutes in around 25% of the games he started last season - and that as he ages - that number will increase.
It seems as though the same people that didn't want Jose as the next manager because he would not give our young players a chance seem to be the same people that would rather bring in superstars to replace them all.
Perhaps Ed002 was right and some of our 'fans' just love to complain.
04 Jun 2016 18:27:32
Red
How many of them games did zlat come off when psg where 3 or 4 up .
You seem to be hung up on griezmann all angel said was a griezmann type player . Quick good age can run the channels play across the front 3 .
Is ibra not your stero typical superstar? 35 years old, best years behind him looking for one last pay day . But a massive rep and name.
I have said before this site gets caught up on big names, on reputations.
For me ibra lacks pace is the wrong age is to static and has no epl experiance . But he is a superstar.
I would rather we went with a younger more dynamic, player that complements martial and co and has the attributes for the epl and to be a part of a long term united plan, playing modern foott
The type of player people wanted before ibra .
Before we bought a superstar name looking for 1 last pay day .
04 Jun 2016 17:17:01
Hoggy, I said no. If we had all been asked for a forwa we wanted 3 months ago I doubt many, if any, would have suggested Ibra, Cavani was the name that kept coming up. Then we get linked with him and everybody thinks he is just what we need. I'm sure he will be fine but I think there are much better options for us than a 34 year old who has been playing in a soft league.
04 Jun 2016 19:20:38
jred - To answer your question; three of the 16 games in which Zlatan was substituted off were when PSG were 3 or 4 goals up (He scored 4 and assisted 2 in those 3 games) .
As far as I am concerned a player like Ibra would compliment our front line a lot more than another player reliant on pace would. We've been missing height and power up top for some time now and Ibra offers both as well as a vast amount of experience and some of the best finishing in the game.
Ibra could be seen as a superstar name looking for one last pay day, for sure - but as far as I can see any other player we signed in his place would simply be a superstar name looking for their penultimate big day or a stepping stone to one of the big three European clubs.
We are no longer able to offer Champions League football nor do we look likely to succeed in the Premier or Champions leagues in the immediate future - so what exactly do we have to offer the top players if not huge financial rewards?
There are many directions the club could go in terms of recruitment - and for me - Zlatan represents one which seems to have far more pros than cons.
He has proven himself in a variety of Europe's top leagues and has won near enough everything there is to win. He'd be a great role model to some of our younger players and would not stand in the way of their progression as much as a younger signing would. From a financial point of view; the fact that he is free negates the fact that he will be asking for high wages and the fact that he's on a one year rolling contract restricts the clubs liability. He seems to be interested in signing for us and doesn't see the club as a stepping stone to Bayern, Barcelona or Real.
More importantly than all of that - he seems to be the player that Jose wants to lead the line for us next season and the management of the club appear to agree that he is the right man for the job. As supporters - we should support their decision (at the very least until it's shown to have been a poor one) .
04 Jun 2016 19:28:12
AJH - I've been hoping for Ibra since back in January when it became clear that he would be leaving PSG. A few others have been talking about him for some time as well.
04 Jun 2016 20:27:00
Im with ajh on this .
You buy a player on his atrributes and many have said many times we need a quick mobile striker .
Until ibra becomes available the we need him .
Redseven
Its a myth that ibra would be great with the kids .
Conman has said ibra wanted nothing to do with the kids at all at psg .
The top teams build for the future so munich and that won't go for ibra.
Just to get this right because i may be wrong but have you just posted, kicking off about some fans only wanting superstars, while arguing we should buy a 35 year old superstar?
If we could buy a top player at the age of 25 who be at the club for the next 6 year you would rather buy a 35 year old for 12 month .
And you don't want a kane griezmann type player up top with pace work rate etc you want a ibra type.
If the deal falls through for ibra who would you move for?
04 Jun 2016 20:35:53
Red
As i have said before there are a lot of players out there not just the big names fans get wet about .
Martial was a great buy not many knew about him i would build my attack around him. Has all the attributes for the epl
We have just got bailly, for 30 mil never gets a mention on here but again has the attributes but people are obssesed with varane, marquinhos players who can't even get a start in there own teams .
Like you say fans just want superstar names but who was the last superstar we bought that done well?