26 May 2016 16:03:07
Ibra played 50 games last season, if we buy him he plays if fit .
Thats your number 9, not rash not martial its ibra .
Just like rooney rvp aguero if fit they play.
So i can understand why people want ibra, he is a big name a superstar, a player we should of bought years ago .
But please don't go on and on about giving youth a chance when we have bought a top top young player like martial and at last have a top top young player like rash coming through the ranks .
And you want to buy a soon to be 35 year old looking for his last pay day to come and play for 12 month .
I don't think rash is ready to play every game .
Martial is .
And i do think we need more attacking options . But ones that complemant the players we have.
26 May 2016 16:09:24
Looks like you and I are in the minority here jred, great player, now way too old for us.
26 May 2016 16:10:04
Totally agree, I'd like to see a fast dynamic interchangable forward brought in such as Griezmann or Aubameyang.
Then play them with Martial and Rashford as a dynamic quick interchanging front three like when we had Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez.
26 May 2016 16:17:47
martial was brilliant last season but from left wing not as a striker, according to ed001 rashford was seen as a winger, it was lvg who has used him as a striker, why can't he rotate with both ibra and lingard and u seem to forget we have europa league next season, rashford will have enough games, if it isn't ibra we would have to sign someone like kane or lukaku, which one is a better option for rashford coming through.
It seems u forget that our main goal threats are 20 year old martial, a 18 year old rashford, do u really think that is even a top 4 level strike force let alone a league winning one.
26 May 2016 16:18:12
We need some quality, Ibra will be the most exciting striker we bought since Tevez, we lacking quality, Martial can do a job on the left for now, in a fee years he can take the no9 role he deserves, unfortunately 3 years of medicore we cannot afford to be medicore another year, we need to be more aggressive on the market.
26 May 2016 16:22:23
Play martial and Rash either side of Ibra?
26 May 2016 16:24:25
Common
I don't forget anything i just don't agree with you.
I don't agree with the principle of buy 35 year old looking for one last pay day .
For me that's not how you build a team .
I agree more with shaps and ajh.
As i have said i would buy an attacking player . Just no ibra .
He is not the only option.
26 May 2016 16:31:20
What happens next year when the next superstar name looking for a payday is available.
Why not buy a player like shappy says and start building for the future now.
26 May 2016 16:31:27
I understand peoples reservation about Ibra due to his age but Audebeyang at 80 million euros or Higuain at 70 million is crazy.
Ed002 has referred to issues with Audbeyang at dortmund and they will sell him if they can find a buyre so when you consider the alternatives I still think Ibra will give us that best short term solution and not affect Rashford or Martial one bit in terms of them starting and how many games they will play.
No one will ever argue that for young players it is much easier to play on the wings than as a CF and they all start as wingers and eventually in their later years become CF.
People keep arguing against the idea but no one seems to come up with a better solution.
No pie in the sky stuff like lew, bale please and someone who is actually attainable. I am all ears.
26 May 2016 16:32:56
i get that jred, u think 34 is too old, i think he still has 1 good season in him, so let's just agree to disagree. But one of your arguments is rashford's playing time, how does it help rashford if we buy someone in his position for long term, be it kane, lukaku or aubemeyang or greizmann, they too will come with the same terms, they start when fit, with ibra u know rashford could replace him in year or 2, u can't say that with other especially with martial in picture.
26 May 2016 16:43:05
Martial is more effective down the left at the moment, rashford isn't quite ready, Rooney is more of a midfielder these days, that leaves us with no centre forward. In a couple of years martial and rashford could both be moulded into top centre forwards, and who better to learn off than a bloke who's just scored 56 goals last season? He's here for a couple of seasons then the youngsters step up, makes perfect sense to me.
26 May 2016 16:57:21
Common
Have you watched any of them players? Kane griezmann etc they all have and do play more than one postion .
Why buy a player for 12 month, when you can buy one for the next 5?
Thats how you build a team imo.
Where would kane be now if spurs had bought a big name for 12 month and not give him a chance? (Really interested in your reply )
X files
There are loads of players out there pal not just the big names.
What did you think of vardy kante marhez even martial just 12 month ago .
A big rep doesn't mean 100% success.
26 May 2016 17:16:51
Jred I think your missing the point ibra is 34 he at best he has two seasons and can't play every game so rasford can get game time plus rashford is far from ready now to play every game at 18 he will still be only 20 in 2 years
Now for kane why buy England's best striker and not start him as a striker if that is as u said they can play in different positions.
26 May 2016 17:24:13
Jred but what are their best positions, wasn't one of the things most people moaned about lvg was playing guys in wrong positions, just bcz they can play in certain position doesn't mean u play them there.
Also jred but aren't u suggesting the same, i am suggesting zlatan u are suggesting kane, greizmann etc. in the end it's a big guy to take a youngster's place.
26 May 2016 17:25:40
Also about reputation, griezmann, kane, aubemeyang, aren't exactly unknown are they know.
26 May 2016 17:25:57
One thing to remember, we would not be forking out a transfer fee for Ibra. It's definitely worth a punt for a couple of years. He's a great player, and at 6'5" will provide a physical threat we haven't had for a long while. Young players will learn from him. We will have 80 or so games to play. There will be plenty of opportunities for the youngsters.
26 May 2016 17:29:32
Lol any time the site gets a sniff that we are linked to a player we have to buy him .
He is just what we need .
Cant go wrong .
Is the player old? Great that's what we need an old player
Is he fast? No great that what we need, a slow player .
Has he played in the epl? No, that's not a problem he we will be great straight away .
Is the player the opposite to what i have said we have needed all season? Yes but who cares he is a mega star .
All the other players i have gone on about ALL season are suddenly not good enough, we have to have this one . He is perfect, since we got linked in the paper he has turned into just what we need.
26 May 2016 17:29:37
I think there are positives and negatives to every choice we make here. Buy a lukaku who is ready to hit prime and it blocks the youth for longer. Bring Zlatan in and the block is shorter and you hope in that time Rashford has hado enough games to make the step up.
If we buy know one (which is truly the only way to not stunt youth) we will be panicking that we go into season with Rooney ando an 18 year old as our strikes.
26 May 2016 17:32:30
Jred
One thing though. Jose almost always likes a big powerful central striker. Not many of those around these days.
26 May 2016 17:33:49
Martial is in no way ready to lead the line. He does not have the required skill set or experience at this time he is not a c. f. he may well develop into one over the next couple of seasons. Rashford looks more like a c. f. to me than martial probably a better instinctive finisher already than martial and makes better runs off the ball and is les static in the box than martial.
I would leave martial on the left without question for next season. I would personally bring in ibra and a dynamic forward that predominantly plays on the right or who is capable of playing from the right.
We need a proven goalscorer imo
I think martial lingard depay new player would all benefit from playing alongside and training alongside ibra for a season or 2
If he plays 40 to 45 games next season I think he Will produce 20 to 25 goals nobody in our current squad is doing that or can do it.
I can understand both sides of the debate but i would take ibra for a season or 2 ahead of lukaku or aubangyang (spelling) i agree we need another right sided forward too and can see the benifit of a one year deal with the option of a second for ibra it would be ideal imo
If ibra comes in and scores 25 goals not too many in Herr will be calling fir him to be dropped for rashford. he will develop but is only 18 he needs time and nurturing.
26 May 2016 17:44:37
Ken, you may be right but why spend shed loads on a 34 year old looking for a last pay day? Not doubting his quality and agree we need to strengthen, just think we are in danger of becoming a graveyard for people seeing out their careers,
26 May 2016 17:53:44
Also we wouldn't be "buying" Ibra. He is a free agent.
To put it simply :
Option 1
Buy a quality mid-20 year old striker, to build a team for the future. Kane, lukaku or aubemeyang or greizman. They will be expensive and only Lukaku doesn't have champions league next year. The others do. Their presence will limit Rashford's chances to play as a striker next year.
Option 2
Get Ibra for free. High wages, and old, but still free. Still a good player, 50 goals this past season is nothing to sneeze at. I think he can still bang them in for us and get ua back into the top 4.
Option 3
Find a new unknown striker "There are loads of players out there pal not just the big names. " Unfortunately us big boys hardly experiment and take chances with unknowns. Martial was not unknown, ask Ronnie and Wenger. that's why his price was so high.
Ibra is free and you know what you are getting.
26 May 2016 17:55:43
But Shahram, those guys are only going to get better, and certainly not any cheaper.
26 May 2016 17:57:22
I think martial will show in the euro how ready he is to lead the line .
If ibra comes in and scores 25 goals not too many in Herr will be calling fir him to be dropped for rashford
Ken
Great point and that is what i'm getting at in my op
Will people stop going on about how we are man united, we give youth a chance when most would be rather a 35 year old superstar up top.
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Mind you if martial who i think is every bit as good as kane was at the same age is giving a chance (like kane was) and scores 25 goals not many will be wanting him dropped for ibra.
26 May 2016 18:03:31
Ajh
I agree you would think he is the only player out there.
26 May 2016 18:14:44
Their age doesn't matter at all as long as they deliver the goods, and surely Zlatan is right up there as one of those players that guarantees goals.
Last season in the league he scored 38 and assisted 13, compare that to a younger lacazette who a lot of people have been championing, he got 21 goals and 3 assists, and played 400 minutes more than Ibra.
Not every signing is long term some times you just need a quick fix, an injection of quality for a couple of years.
RVP came in and won us the league, but we only really got a couple of seasons out of him, if Ibra does the same none of you will complain.
26 May 2016 18:28:24
Jred
I never wanted strootman, sanches, think stones and Barkeley are grossly overrated and will not be excited about the prospects of them coming, so its not every time we are buying everyone jumps on the bandwagon. I actually think he will score 20 pl goals and that is very hard to find.
Where are these loads of players you are referring to, Do you think all the scouting networks of massive clubs are useless. Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Spurs to name a few just in the PL have all been after a striker for a couple of years.
To name Kante and Mahrez as finds is fair enough but they are not strikers and everyone gets lucky every once in a while.
You underestimate the effect of a guy who has won 13 league titles and a winner and what that might do for the rest of these young players.
There are many wingers/ strikers who are fast and in theory you have an interchangeable front 3 but 90% turn out to be flops on 5 year deals and wages to go with it. Look at chelsea and what they have spent on guys like, salah, quadrado, moses and few others that names escape me. If you add up what's it cost them and still going its a scary number just trying to find a winger.
26 May 2016 18:30:24
I don't want him because he's a superstar I'm looking at it from a completely different point of view from you jred.
I'm looking at what he can bring in the short term and how others around him will benifit in the long term.
Plenty on here did not want to sign Kane for huge money last summer for fear he was a one season wonder. So those fears not exist for rashford and to a lesser extend martial? Lukaku or aubangyang on a4 year contract could cost 60m plus fees and what 150k plus per week that's near 100m ibra about 15m per season its a lesser risk and money well spent imo and both would be on their toes if RM came in in 2 years time if they do well.
Ibra is a good fit so that when he is gone we already have the replacement for him here that's another good way to build a team imo.
We don't have any players with vast experience in good form so imo we can afford to have the odd older guy top help the younger guys.
26 May 2016 18:34:12
Steve
In an ideal world you spend the money on a guy who is there 5 years or even longer. I agree you go for someone like a Griezeman if he is available, i don't believe he is available given athletic madrid season.
I am just stating there are a few strikers out there and many teams looking for one. Would you want to spend 50 to 60 million pounds on Lukaku?
Tony
Let's say we buy Ibra and he scores 20 goals, would that change your view whilst we all know it s a short term solution.
26 May 2016 18:43:09
X files
I will be amazed if any of the other top teams go for ibra pal, it will be united or china maybe usa .
That said i was amazed we went for bastian it looked like he was off to usa .
Lets have a look at the business the top teams do this summer building a team .
Have chelsea been worse than united in the transfer market .
We need to get smart stop buying names .
Falcao, bastion, di maria now ibra . where will any of them be in 12 month?
I don't think there scouting networks are useless i think they will come up with the goods and not just buy a name.
26 May 2016 19:06:52
Ken
"I'm looking at it from a completely different point of view from you jred.
I'm looking at what he can bring in the short term "
Why look short term, why not look long term?
If we get ibra in 12 month time we still need another attacking player .
Why not buy one now, then in 12 month time the new player has 12 month in the epl, 12 month with the manager and players and he and the team are ready to kick on for the 4/ 5 year
Build for the future.
Most fans would want a player with his best days ahead of him, who could be at the club for a number of years before a player in his last year looking for 1 pay day .
If you where not a fan of ibra would you really want a 35 year old for 12 month ahead of the next big thing for the next 5 year?
Gcu
"In an ideal world you spend the money on a guy who is there 5 years or even longer. "
I 100% agree.
26 May 2016 20:00:30
You should work for the mail or sky when quoting me please use the full sentence and not stop mid sentence or else it can be taken out of context.
Quite typical of you really to take something out of context to support your argument. Pretty ignorant thing to do.
There are short term benifits that will provide long term benifit for those Here in the long term.
26 May 2016 20:19:15
Ken
Jesus have u got to take everything so personal .
Lets just leave it at that then.
It was an honest question not really sure what your issue is . But the dummy has gone again.
By the way its not an argument it a discussion . Well it should be.
26 May 2016 21:05:26
Shahram, not Lukaku, no. Kane or Griezmann, yes.
26 May 2016 20:44:34
The only issue i have is you mis representing what I wrote to suit yourself. I find it typical if you to be honest its not the first time. It's an ignorant act only 1dummy pal.
26 May 2016 22:25:22
The issue is you sulk he people don't agree pal.
Like i say it was an honest question .