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17 May 2016 18:45:27
Just to weigh into the Ibrahimovic or a 25 year old striker in his prime debate, I would like to give a different view.

I would get neither and get two quick wingers instead because our problem isn't finishing off chances, its creating them. Our problem is a lack of pace. Our problem is truly terrible crossing and corner taking. No striker is going to solve that.

I would play Martial as a striker instead of a winger. So we have Martial and Rashford as strikers and Rooney as a great backup if either gets injured. Also with the added pace and movement from the wingers our midfielders will chip in with more goals as well.

I also think we need a creative midfielder, somebody like a Kroos or Modric with a huge passing range. I think Herrera, Schneiderlin are energetic and are good with short passing but they don't have the ability to constantly switch play and control the tempo of the game. That is why we look better going forward when Carrick plays because he opens the game up with his passing, especially early forward passes.

I think those three positions and center back are the most important signings for us, a striker should be the last thing on our minds. I think Rashford and Martial have proved enough this season that if you create chances they will put it into the back of the net.

If I was forced to make a choice between Ibrahimovic and a 25 year old striker though I would choose the latter. That is because is Ibra is a slow and lethargic player who doesn't work hard enough on the pitch. And I don't want to add to the lack of pace in this team.

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17 May 2016 18:56:58
Redfaith
Good post i agree with that pal.

17 May 2016 19:15:23
When we were first linked to Zlatan I was excited, he has been a great player and a great personality within football for over a decade.

I completely understand the arguement of signing a more experienced forward so as to not block Martial and Rashford. Someone for them to learn from but I think my love for Zlatan ment I was guilty of trying to make him fit the critera rather than looking for someone who fits the critera. Yes he is experienced and he has been a top end talent for many years. But his style of play certainly doesn't fit the kind of striker we need.

It reminds me of several years ago, we had a hard working quick and exciting young Carlos Tevez, who was exactly the kind of striker we love to see at the club. But we then signed Berbatov, the more technically gifted intelligent striker. He forced Tevez out of the team, although he didn't match Tevez's level of performance. It ended with Tevez leaving and joining City.

Now here we are again although without a Tevez. But Zlatan is a striker very much in the Berbatov mould all be it even more gifted. We need a striker who is full of running, hard work. A dynamic presence upfront. That is not Zlatan unfortunately.

For me the best options would be either Griezmann or Aubameyang. Even Berahino could be worth a look if the first two are unavailable.

17 May 2016 19:36:16
Shaps
Welcome back .
Its a good point that.

17 May 2016 20:35:08
Shappy that post was going well, then you mentioned Berahino who is possibly one of the most over rated played of his generation.

Adding to that. We have no chance of a top striker like Aubameyang or Griezmann. Ibra is the right man at the right time and we have other areas needing attention and large spends.

17 May 2016 21:46:52
Okay then Fresh tell me the tactical strengths of Zlatan and how he would fit into a United side next season.

I disagree that Zlatan would be a cheaper option than other potential options. First off he wants a two year deal on 500k per week supposedly. Even on a one year deal that is 26m in wages, 52m over two years. Or mere pocket change if your Fresh. That's not even taking into account that he will need the team to be built around him as he had at PSG. They bought Di Maria to help get the best out of Zlatan. Hey maybe we should sign Di Maria.

We would definately need to add a lot of pace to the team both in midfield and out wide to make up for Zlatan. I don't think Rooney would be an ideal No.10 for Zlatan, so he would need replacing in the line up along with Lingard and probably add some quality passing from deep midfield.

So how would Zlatan be cheap when you'd need 52m for his wages as well as the transfer fee for at least 2 probably 3 top players plus thier wages.
That's probably the best part of 200m in fees and wages to bring in a player who'll be 35 by Christmas and get the best out of him for a year or two.

It just doesn't make sense. Like I said he fits the age profile, and the big name profile, but tactically he is all wrong for this United side.

I also disagree that he would have a "Cantona" effect on out team. Did he have that effect at Ajax? Inter? Juventus? AC Milan? Barcelona? Or PSG? Nope, so why would he have that effect on us? Its a none arguement.

Personally I think we only need 4 players this summer. 5 if DDG leaves.

2 CB's, a CM and a flexible dynamic multifunctional forward. Then a GK if DDG leaves.

17 May 2016 22:09:49
Shappy has come back angry.

17 May 2016 22:20:37
I couldn't care less what his wages are Shappy, stick to the topic instead of going into finance which I never mentioned. So why jump on that? I am merely saying that other areas are far more pressing and require much more attention.

We need a spear head to our attack, not a multi pronged attacker. He has never relied on pace, so are all players crap unless they are quick?

The pace needs to come from the wings. Was van Nistelrooy quick?

With better supply and pace on the wings you want a composed finisher in the box. There is no striker in world football that we could sign who would have a better chance-goal ration. We could go for Griezmann and all these names again, but we will be left blue in the face again as we have been for two years chasing Bale and Muller.

17 May 2016 22:21:55
I'm not angry, I'm just right. Lol.

{Ed001's Note - it had to happen eventually....}

17 May 2016 22:28:35
That's up for queation mate.

17 May 2016 22:29:06
I agree shaps.

17 May 2016 22:53:43
Fresh
Have u not mentioned buying griezmann once or twice?

17 May 2016 22:57:04
We have a midfielder with a great passing range in Blind. Rooney is likely first choice for that role though as he starts to play midfield as he ages.

We have 2 midfielders who can play box to box in Herrera and Schneiderlin.

We have 2 albeit very young strikers.

We need 4 players: 2 CBs and 2 wingers.

Not signing a world class CB has crippled us. And as I keep saying Smalling is not the answer.

I still think Martial is wasted as a pure winger. Arguably though an interchangeable front 3 of Martial Rashford and a new player, ideally Griezeman, could be exceptional though.

17 May 2016 23:08:30
I have, but it has become abundantly obvious that that will not happen.

17 May 2016 23:18:25
Fresh
So do we need a multi pronged attacker (as you put it ) or not?

Or is ibra the new flavour of the month.

17 May 2016 23:24:43
Agree halesini but which two good cb's can we buy?

18 May 2016 05:23:58
I think the debate about Ibra will all depend on what comes in during the transfer window and if we are working on a key striker somewhere else. SAF was the best at this where he figured out where his goals where coming from and if he needed another striker and he had all sorts of them.

The current set up will not score enough goals so someone like Ibra who is a 100% proven goal scorer at every level will be looked at if we are unable to secure players both in midfield and up front to give us 20 more goals.

Signing ibra on a one year deal does not mean you rebuild differently and just what it is a short term solution to a problem and we have problems scoring with the current squad and style of play. With him in the line up it is not just him scoring but the opportunities he will create for the likes of rash ford and Martial. I would rather see us play crosses into him that the wig.

I missed the game last night but reading what the genius said afterwards sounds like no CB again and no midfielders, which is a worry.

The club silence and zero mention of him during the conference call tells me he is going to get sacked no matter what happens on saturday. Let's hope so.

18 May 2016 08:28:17
Fresh, the last line of your post said and I quote "large spends". So how are you not bringing finance into it?

Also by stating we need to focus on other areas of the pitch are you not insinuating that money will need to be spent on those position too? Or do you expect all of our singings to come from the bargin freebie bucket this year?

Like I said I love Zlatan, have done for over 10 years. But that doesn't make him a great tactical fit for our team. Zlatan needs pace around him. Okay we have Martial on one side but who on the right?

Therefore signing Zlatan would mean we have to spend money on signing a quick winger.

I think the issue with our team is the lack of quality at the back. It has lead to us having two sitting midfielders for most the season. We have instantly looked a much better team going forward the moment we have switched to one holding midfielder. Although we then look suspect at the back.

We have good potential out wide, Depay, Januzaj, Pereira, Lingard, Martial and Rashford started out as a winger and can do a shift there.

The issue has been getting the ball out to them quick enough and giving them ample support. Depay's season went down hill the moment Shaw got injuried. He looked far more promising when Shaw was over lapping him and creating space for him to work in. As did Lingard on the right during that spell when Varela was playing at RB.

Offensive play is all about creating an overload in one area of the pitch, it allows players to lose markers and find space to shoot or time to pick a pass. In this current system where are full backs are limited to how far they can go forward and our midfielders aren't allowed to break beyond the midfield we look blunt going forward.

Change the system and the players will look much better. To do that we need a solid platform to build from and allow our players to break forward. That's why we need two top class CB's.

As for our strike force actually our conversion rate is one of the best in the league. In the loss to West Ham for example we had three shots on goal and scored twice. West Ham had 18 shots and scored three.

Its not that we aren't scoring through a lack of clinical finishing, we aren't scoring because we aren't creating.

Until the introduction of players such as Rashford all the dynamisim in our attack rested on Martial's shoulders. He went through a dry spell until the introduction of Rashford. Once Rashford was introduced his pace and dynamisim created space for Martial on the left and he flourished in it and found his scoring touch again.

This shows it isn't a lack of having a clinical finisher that is the issue it is the lack of dynamism. Zlatan won't solve that, in fact he would exasperate it.







 

 

 
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