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02 May 2016 16:53:14
So, after 6 wins and 1 defeat in 7 we drew with the likely Champions. however, reading the posts on here you'd think we we heading for relegation. Valencia is awful, Fellaini is useless, Rojo is dreadful, Schneiderlin, Herrera, CBJ should be playing.

I'm not saying everything is rosy but I've really enjoyed the last couple of months. More pace, more energy, and more wins. Yet people find the slightest fault and lay it at LVGs door. We created loads of chances yesterday but didn't taken them, is that LVG's fault?

It used to be fun on here but it's becoming so negative. The Live Chat descends into slagging off players and LVG, one or two posters going well beyond banter. A lot of regular posters seem to have taken a break and I can understand why. Everything that needed to be said about LVG has been said but still it keeps coming.

I think LVG needs to move on but while he is here he will continue to get my support, players who pull on the red shirt will also get my support even if they are not playing well.

I come on here for banter and a laugh but both seem to be absent nowadays.

Rant over, have a good day.

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02 May 2016 17:00:42
Im surprised hiw critical people where of the team and certain players on sunday.

02 May 2016 17:34:39
What real chances did we create yesterday? Other than Lingards effort and the goal I can't recall KS having that much to do.

As for the criticism of players - Rojo was again at fault for a goal and Fellaini once again elbowed an opposition player risking serious injury. They fully deserve their criticism (especially Fellaini) .

The overall performance was nothing to write home about. We played well for 20 minutes and then performed OK for 70. Is that what we deem to be good these days?

4 of the 6 wins you mention were against a Palace side that are in free-fall who rested players for their cup tie against Watford, an Everton side that are in free-fall whose manager is hanging on by a thread, a Villa team that are in free-fall, are without a manager and are arguably the worst side of the Premier League era. None of those wins were all too convincing (maybe Palace) .

The results against West Ham and City were good ones - but again - both were by the odd goal and could very easily have gone the other way were it not for DDG and a bit of luck. Spurs turned us over.

02 May 2016 17:21:58
Thank God someone is talking sense, I was really thinking about taking a break from reading as there is so much negativity on here! No wonder that Ed002 doesn't want to come around here now of days!
Thank you AJH, no matter how well we play you would think we are the worst team in the world!

02 May 2016 17:30:21
I actually thought it was a good performance and result yesterday if you take that game in isolation.

The first 15/ 20 mins was a break from the norm this season with pace and incision at the forefront. It was very similar to the semi final last week except we didn't push for it at the end.

The only person that could be criticised yesterday was rojo in that he was bullied for the goal by morgan. But i guess that's to be expected, you have one guy about to lead his team to one of the greates feats in modern sport against someone who forgets to renew his passport for a preseason tour and was overweight when he finally made it to preseason training. Of course morgan was going to want it more.

02 May 2016 17:57:57
Couldn't agree more Redseven. We shouldn't be satisfied that we held Leicester at OT. Standards have dropped if that's the case.
As you said, we created very little in the last 70 mins. Victory against West ham was good though. And spurs was just a disaster.
So yesterday, our hopes of top 4 hanging by a thread, we completely caved in in the second half. That's not a United team. We don't give up. But I couldn't see us scoring in second half. It felt like we were content with a point.

02 May 2016 18:03:26
Unless we stuff the best team in the league for the full 90 mins its not good enough .
If we had played like that against a top team it would of been a good performance but it was only against leicester.

On the live chat i could tell you who was going to say what about each player before a ball is kicked .
People make there mind and then look to prove a point .
1 player can make 10 good passes but the minute he makes a bad one people are all over him .
On the flip side a player will give the ball away for 89 min but if he picks a pass in the 90th min he is worldclass .

02 May 2016 18:05:30
Also people where kicking off when we won against west ham.
We have to be great for 90 min in an fa cup semi as well.

02 May 2016 18:22:02
Agree with red7 and schemed.
I will give credit where due and criticism where due as well.
I thought Carrick played and Valencia were ok yesterday. However, Rooney was awful. Of course that doesn't mean that they are good or bad all the time. The criticisms were game to game basis and I think all supporters are entitled to their opinion.
Obviously there are some who are consistently good (like DDG) but you can see that some of the team players has no heart or playing blindly at times. The comments are meant to be for specific players. However, as a team, I thought the performance was average. There is great potential in the team but I believe that some of the players are either player out of position or lack of commitment. But whatever it is I still support Man Utd and feel proud though there are some agonising moments usually during the game.
There is no harm in saying out who plays good or bad afterall, all of us have contributed time and money to support our team hence why can't we comment about the team's or individual performance.
It is just regretful that the team go all out passionately to get the win since our neighbours has lost their game. That would have gotten use closer in terms of table points. That, I am very very disappointed. I thought Leicester were a little weak yesterday and we could have taken advantage of that.
That said, I am confident we will do better next year with a few additions to the team.
Whatever it is, I will still support Man Utd and still continue to give comments.

02 May 2016 18:22:06
jred - I would not define 20 minutes of attacking football and just 2 clear cut chances against any team to be a great performance.

In isolation the performances against the likes of Leicester and West Ham were not at all bad - the issue is that they are the high points of our season rather than being an 'off day' type performance as they would have been throughout the rest of the Premier League era.

The teams primary focus should be to entertain the fans that pay their wages and pump their hard earned money into the club (whether that be through tickets, merchandise or television subscriptions) and at the moment they are not doing that.

02 May 2016 18:36:29
"In isolation the performances against the likes of Leicester and West Ham were not at all bad "

We where talking about the leicester game not the full season.

I thought we where the better team against leicester who are the best team in the league .
And the semi felt like a proper fa cup semi final.
And still people moan.

02 May 2016 19:11:28
People over analyse. Whether by accident or design we are sing more pace and energy and better results. yet still people moan. People are so entrenched in their dislike of LVG that it is almost auto pilot responses now? I thought Valencia was excellent yesterday and I thought Carrick controlled most of the game. I'm no fan of Fellaini but he was a s good as anyone else yesterday.

My wider point is that this is a banter site not a whinging and whining site. The same people bang on about the same things again and again, it's pretty tedious. I have no objection to anyone voicing criticism, my objection is to them voicing it continually, or making it highly personal, and some of these posters are people I generally get along with.

02 May 2016 19:14:50
Jred - Your post literally started by discussing our last 8 games. First sentence.

02 May 2016 19:22:06
Ajh
Your bang on there imo.
People are defo entrenched in there views .
By the way you missed the 3rd man in our cm yesterday,

02 May 2016 19:35:26
AJH - I think that perhaps it is you who are over-analysing here. I did not see anybody (here or in the live chat) criticising Carrick or Valencia and the only real criticism of Fellaini was based on him elbowing somebody in the face rather than down to his performance (you may think that kind of behavior is acceptable - but most, including the FA, don't) . The only player who has really been criticised is Rojo - and that's because he has once again been responsible for us conceding.

You seem to be under the illusion that everybody is being critical of our performances because of some inherent hatred of the manager; but what you fail to grasp is that our criticism is down to our belief that performances are simply not good enough.

If you think that 20 minutes of good football and only creating 2 meaningful chances in 90 minutes is acceptable - then fair enough. It should not however be outside of the realms of possibility that others simply don't.

If you don't like some of the posts on this site then don't read them. If you don't like the topics being discussed - why not start a new discussion? It seems logical that on a site like this people are going to discuss the goings on at the club and with results and performances at the moment being poor - likely that a lot of the posts are going to be negative in tone.

It seems to me that if all of these 'negative' posters were to stop posting there would be no discussion on the site at all. Would you rather that was the case?

Just out of interest - what sort of topics would you like to see being discussed here?

02 May 2016 20:07:49
I love Man Utd but if I say Rooney was playing awful yesterday, that doesn't mean I think he is useless. Just that I felt he is not playing consistently compared to the previous game. Carrick didn't play well the game before and got some bad comments but he played well yesterday.
What I am saying is that, our team is not playing consistent enough. There are a few players who are pretty good but still on the whole, the team is just not consistent. Compared to Leicester, even without their "star" player, they are still generally consistent.
I believe that we have a reasonably good team but lack consistency.
If we look at Real Madrid or Barca, they may not be as quick pace as us given our younger team, but they are well drilled and consistent. Why so?
Perhaps it is because our manager instructs our players to be out of position? Over analyse the opposing team and makes too many chances? Not having as regular team as compared to Leicester (for the sake of argument)? or the manager just really don't have a clue (which I don't agree)?
Why does he not start Herrara? Why must he stick to Rooney as the automatic choice?
I feel there are plenty of reflections to be done and LVG is too arrogant to do that. I am not advocating LVG be gone or stay, but he has not done a good job this year to warrant my support. Winning the FA Cup (if we win) is besides the point. Playing winning football coupled with entertainment is important. If we lose, I need to feel that at least the manager has selected the right team and also the team has played their best and not without heart.
That, I will then be happy whatever the outcome.

02 May 2016 20:23:56
ay 2016 19:14:50
Jred - Your post literally started by discussing our last 8 games. First sentence
Red7
I think your getting me mixed up

666
I think herrera gets better the less he plays .

02 May 2016 20:41:06
jred - You're correct and my apologies. Point remains the same though. The original post began by discussing our last 8 games so I don't see why discussing the rest of the season as a means to compare is off topic.

02 May 2016 20:52:39
Red7
As i said in my op, in surprised how critical people where of the team and players on sunday .

02 May 2016 20:57:50
Jred no issue. I wasn't advocating for Herrera to be a starter. I can understand if LVG even thinks he is a supersub, no problem with that. That would be your opinion and I respect that. However, I feel Herrara has more pace than either of Rooney or Carrick and would be a better start. I wouldn't suggest Mata as he is a tad slow unless we are playing with teams who we feel are slower. This is not taking a shot at Rooney, Carrick nor Mata but just that I feel Herrera fit in as a more to a younger team. Obviously we still need leaders like Rooney, Carrick and Mata but these days, you see teams like Spurs, Leicester and even Southampton having a younger and faster team.
My main comment is aimed at the manager to build a stronger and fast attacking younger team hopefully with a strong defence as well. Having spent so much money, we could or should have achieve that to some extent CL spot being a given. We should already be challenging the title. That's just my opinion.
However, I hope we can do that next season and become a team to be reckon with, whilst we are starting to get better, at least we will not have to watch slow agonising games.

02 May 2016 21:12:58
666
As many on the site will know i'm a big fan of herrera, really wanted us to sign him but at the moment i don't think it has worked out for him at united.
I think its a bit like kagawa everyone wants that type of player in the team and to be playing well.
The problem is imo neither of them players for various reason have actually played very well in a united shirt .
But like u say its all about opinions pal.

02 May 2016 21:15:58
Jred - I haven't seen too much mention of the Leicester game on the main page and so can only assume that you're mainly referring to the Live Chat.

I missed the first 5 minutes or so of the game and so if there was stuff said in the build up or early stages that I'm unaware of then please disregard this - but from what I saw of the live chat it was more or less all fair comment.

Everybody seemed to be in agreement that the first 20 minutes were fantastic and that the first half on the whole was a good performance. It wasn't until the second half that people suggested that our performance had dropped and I think that was a fair observation. In terms of individual criticism - Rojo caught some flak - but again there were numerous times where he lost his man or was out of position and he was at fault for the goal. Fellaini was criticised for elbowing somebody in the face.

You say that you're surprised; but can you understand why some may think that creating 2 decent chances while playing at home in a game that's integral to our chances of top four is unacceptable? Can you see why some may be frustrated by a player that was letting the rest of the side down and whose mistake cost us 2 points? Can you see why some may think that a player elbowing another is unprofessional?

If the answer to those questions is yes - then I really don't see why you are surprised.

02 May 2016 21:34:41
Red7
At half time after a half in which i thought we played well for the first 30 minutes you had all the same people saying the same things .
Leicester are no mugs we are not going stuff them, nobody else has this season .
But after being the better team in the first half .
The comments where smalling isn't good enough -- What did he do wrong first half.
Linders offers nothing -- In a tight game was he worse than mahrez or rashford had been .
Rooney was awful-- first touch poor give the ball away, Did he really, add on to that our midfield was poor --Was it really over run by kante and drinkwater?
What does fellain do -- I thought he played well, it was quite clear a tactic to hit him in the box and he done his job.

Smalling, rooney, fellaini linders and our cm .
All mentioned before the game kicked off as they are every week and all slagged of regardless of how they play imo .

02 May 2016 22:04:13
jred - I tend to go for a smoke at half time so didn't see that (nor, as I mentioned, did I see any of the stuff pre-game) . If that's the case then I can certainly see where you're coming from.

I think a lot of it is down to frustration with how the team is performing as a whole and can only hope that as performances and results start to improve the general tone of the fan-base will follow suit.







 

 

 
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