26 Apr 2016 12:13:33
It would be really nice to put rivalry aside for one day when we play Leicester and for Old Trafford to sing You Will Never Walk Alone or give a minutes applause in tribute to the families and victims of Hillsborough who have been vindicated today.
26 Apr 2016 13:25:56
Thank you . herefordred.
There's no harm in rivalry between our two teams. but let's get rid of the hatred that some fans still cling on to.
Time to let go.
26 Apr 2016 13:26:01
Completely agree with generous applause and a minutes silence.
I would think it quite proper and fitting to give a standing ovation to Leicester as well as they walk on to the pitch.
26 Apr 2016 13:27:03
I honestly can't see that happening, ever.
26 Apr 2016 13:25:56
Thank you . herefordred.
There's no harm in rivalry between our two teams. but let's get rid of the hatred that some fans still cling on to.
Time to let go.
26 Apr 2016 13:26:01
Completely agree with generous applause and a minutes silence.
I would think it quite proper and fitting to give a standing ovation to Leicester as well as they walk on to the pitch.
26 Apr 2016 13:27:03
I honestly can't see that happening, ever.
26 Apr 2016 13:33:59
Definitely not going to happen. Either of them things.
Give Leicester a standing ovation as they walk on to the pitch, they haven't even won the title yet, what would that be for?
26 Apr 2016 13:00:08
I can accept respect being shown for the families of the tragedy however singing you'll never walk alone! You will be walking alone if you sing that and rightly so! Why sing a Celtic song anyway!
{Ed007's Note - YNWA isn't a Celtic song, it's a show tune from the 1945 Rodgers and Hammerstein musical Carousel. The first time it was heard inside a football stadium was during a Munich Memorial service in 1958.
Over the years Feyenoord, FC Twente and SC Cambuur, Borussia Dortmund, FSV Mainz 05, 1. FC Kaiserslautern, SV Darmstadt 98, Eintracht Braunschweig, Borussia Munchengladbach, VfL Osnabrück, Alemannia Aachen, FC St Pauli, TSV 1860 Munich,[21] Belgium's Club Brugge, Japan's F.C. Tokyo, Spain's CD Lugo and the Marist St. Pats MSP 80/80 Blues. In Ice Hockey, the song has been adopted by German Deutsche Eishockey Liga side Krefeld Pinguine and Croatian Medvesvak Zagreb have all sang YNWA.}
26 Apr 2016 18:07:58
Thanks Ed for yr excellent post on the history of the song. It saddens me that we have some fans who can't see the bigger picture. If they had lost a loved one in such circumstances maybe they would understand. Meantime as a proud and loyal Utd supporter and more importantly hopefully ad a decent human being I am happy to give as much comfort as I can at this time to anyone who suffered because of what happened at Hillsborough. Despite what Shankly said football is not that important.
{Ed007's Note - It would be nice if fans all across the country could come together to pay their final respects now that they truth has came out. I can't begin to imagine the hell that those families went through. And hopefully there's plenty more justice to be meted out to those guilty of wrong doing.}
26 Apr 2016 19:56:03
So, despite my post further up (assuming it has been posted) there is some merit in every ground belting out You'll Never Walk Alone this weekend. Some things are more important than sport and I can't begin to imagine the horrors of that day. Listening to the stories today reduced me to tears, I have 2 kids and to think of losing them, let alone at at a sporting occasion is beyond my comprehension.
I hate the song but this weekend football fans should stand together and show unity with those that lost their lives.
{Ed025's Note - as you say AJH some things transcend football and this is one of them, it could have been any clubs supporters on that fateful day mate and we all need to show our respect..
26 Apr 2016 20:38:05
Just one thing I would add to this debate is that I think recriminations and seeking punishment of the so called guilty parties is not the way to go. The dead can never be brought back so I think it's far better to encourage an atmosphere of co-operation and understanding rather than fear of reprisal so that everyone works together to make sure this never happens again.
The police on duty that day I am sure never for a second wanted to harm the supporters. They probably acted according to procedure or what they though was right and appropriate. With hindsight we can see they failed miserably but who knows how you or I would have acted at that that time had we been in charge. The whole culture surrounding fans then was different to how it is today. Hooliganism is now isolated at football matches. It was not then.
The perjury committed by people in charge by altering or falsifying accounts of what happened was disgusting but peer pressure and pressure from authority figures has and will no doubt result in this type of thing in the future. Anybody who has not shown contrition should be admonished.
But as I said overall the only way positive forward is to make sure that the mistakes are learnt from and people encouraged to work together to put in place good practice measures to make sure there is never this type of horrendous event again.
26 Apr 2016 20:58:23
The singing sentiment is admirable but I'd fear the alternative version would be rolled out on auto pilot by some/ many. Applause seems the safest option these days but I'm a big fan of a good old fashioned respectful silence. Unfortunately it doesn't happen often because it gives the idiots a platform to stand out.
26 Apr 2016 19:26:38
Agree completely it would fantastic to have a minutes applause or silence for those poor HUMAN BEINGS and their families who have suffered an incredible amount. I know it's long overdue but I am delighted that there seems to be justice for the 96.
Why do you think a minutes silence or applause wouldn't happen gds?
26 Apr 2016 22:30:45
Totally agree Hereford. It would show a bit of class and humility. Both of which are lacking these days.
26 Apr 2016 23:52:26
Angel,
No idea where you come from or what you know about the rivalry between the two cities (not just the 2 clubs) but I am pretty sure there would be too many idiots who would not respect a song or a minutes silence. It wouldn't sit right with me either to be honest and would just seem perfectly set up for United fans to look bad when it should really be nothing to do with us.
The Liverpool fans I know HATE Manchester United, I asked some of them why recently and apparently it is because of the arrogance of our fans and the fact we were totally undeserving of the success we had because we were lucky (for 13 seasons) with referee decisions and all sorts of other things. I put HATE in capitals because they really do despise us.
I can be happy that they have 'justice' by myself without having to sing a song that many around me would refuse to sing or do a minutes silence that many wouldn't adhere to.
Sorry mate, I just don't see it happening.
27 Apr 2016 07:23:14
That's fair GDS, you are probably right that the idiots would spoil it.
Such a shame in today's world that a footballing tragedy can't be shown respect in that way.
27 Apr 2016 09:12:50
Sorry but as the phrase says all it takes for evil to prevail is for good people the majority to stay silent. In a crowd of 75000 if a few idiots the don't sing or boo they would be drowned out by those singing and those around them should shame them into either being silent or joining in with the decent fans. Better still report them to stewards so they can be ejected. Years ago I was in the North stand with my young son and the bloke behind was hardly watching the match but instead on his phone making plans with his mates to set up a fight and ambush opposing fans after the match. He was also swearing almost continually. I reported his actions at half time to a steward and the thug was soon after asked to leave. Apparently his season ticket was rescinded. Some industrial language is to be expected but constant abuse and thuggery is not acceptable. It's about time decent fans stood up and reclaimed football for themselves.
27 Apr 2016 12:21:26
Brilliant first post, Hereford. Especially the police bit. One senior officer's incompetence, and then a cover-up instigated by other senior officers, shouldn't be used as something to beat the ordinary peeler that was on duty that day, many of whom were desperately trying to help those in need.