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17 Nov 2015 09:57:13
Normally I keep these whacky thoughts to myself, but as it's a bit quiet I thought I would see if anybody agrees with this theory.

Does anybody think there is an instruction from the FA to Hodgson to pick players from the elite clubs over other clubs due to money?

Lingard is one of many players that have barely done anything, Delph, Mason, even Jones this season are a few others.

Utd have by far the most supporters, this means there will be a greater likelihood of people watching and talking about the game over say a young talent from Crystal Palace or Leicester getting a chance. This means better broadcasting deals, sponsorship deals etc.

We have seen how corrupt the game is, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if playing for a bigger teams means you have a serious advantage and can leap frog more deserved players for England games.

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17 Nov 2015 10:36:31
It wouldn't surprise me. If Lingard has been called up then why hasn't Zaha or Pucheon who are more experienced and have played well? Or someone like Aaron Creswell?

I still maintain that it is ridiculous that Lingard is involved.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Zaha, Pucheon or Creswell.}

17 Nov 2015 10:42:57
the fa has been talking about promoting from the u21 for a while now imo that's all they have done.

17 Nov 2015 11:38:05
I'm not saying it is anything to do with them. I'm saying that a lot of players are called up that are pretty undeserving - what has Mason done for example? Or Delph? He has played 45 minutes all season.

Why are regulars like Puncheon and Zaha overlooked if the policy is to try as many players as possible.

{Ed002's Note - You can add to that list any number of other random players you also feel bitter about, but it is completely irrelevant. The England manager and his coaching team can pick any one they like - because they don't pick the players from Crystal Palace that you want them to pick is no reason to whine - certainly not on this page.}

17 Nov 2015 11:56:58
Beast taking a dig at one of our players? That's so out of character.

Zaha can't cut it on a big stage, he showed that every time he played for us what bigger stage is there than playing for your country?

Also Lingard has been one of our best players in the last 3-4 games and we're 2 points off the top of the table. Maybe Woy Hodgson is selecting the players who have big club pedigree, winning mentality and good form to go with it?

17 Nov 2015 12:05:07
It isn't whining, I was replying to Beast.

{Ed002's Note - It is whining - I assume you are a Crystal Palace supporter. Take your thoughts there; you will be much happier.}

17 Nov 2015 12:05:44
I would say its unlikely. I wouldn't be totally shocked if it turned out to be true, but that's more to do with me being quite cynical over the way football is run more than basing the argument on its merits.

I would say its quite simple, you see Hodgson at games involving the top teams but you don't see him at the games involving the "lesser" sides unless they are playing a top team.

Whether that's fair or right is down to his employers to decide. But consider things from this point of view.

The best teams have the best players, they also have the best scouting set ups and certainly spend the most amount of money on scouting. So if you are looking to call up the best players then it makes sense to scout the best teams.

Rooney was the most talented english player of his generation, how long was he at Everton for? How long was Luke Shaw at Southampton? The best english talent gets signed by the best english teams when those teams decide they are ready to compete at the highest level. Simple as that.

As for players like Lingard getting a call up ahead of people such as Puncheon or Zaha I suspect that has as much to do with who he will be playing that game with as his own ability. When the national team have so few occasions to get together and build up a team spirit and team dynamic it makes sense to call up as many players who are used to training and working together as possible. Individually they may have slightly lower ability, but they work much better as a team allowing each to reach their potential. At least that's the theory.

When you see how many United players are already playing for England then it makes more sense to call up another United player rather than one who will have no club team mates in the squad with him.

I suspect these factors are much more likely to why certain players get a call up rather than their being some conspiracy to maximise viewing figures for an international friendly.

Besides I would have thought it would be the other way around if you wanted to maximise viewing figures, getting as many players from different clubs would give a wider range of fans with something to watch the game for to see how their player does. United fans will already have several of our players playing for us to have an interest in the game, but calling up a Palace player would surely give the Palace fans some reason to watch the game.

Anyway shouldn't the reason for watching the national team be about national pride rather than seeing a player from your club have a kick about with a team you don't really follow?

17 Nov 2015 12:51:29
I am not a Crystal Palace fan. I am simply making a point of there are better, more experienced players out there that deserve an England call-up than Lingard who has played two games for us. Why is that difficult to understand?

{Ed002's Note - This would be in your ill-informed opinion of course. It really doesn't bother me if you don't think young players should be given a chance or not. It is very strange that you are seemingly getting a little damp over these Crystal Palace players - but say you are not a supporter.}

17 Nov 2015 13:16:12
Ues it would be my ill-informed opinion. Most on here don't have an informed opinion, it is all opinions.

I never intended my comment to bother you, be of interest to you, or get a reaction from you. It wasn't directed at you. My opinion is that it is too easy to get an England cap and that young players should prove more than they do.

Have you ever heard of an example? Or would you like me to list every British player in the Premier League? I could equally say James Ward-Prowse - does that make me a Southampton fan?

{Ed002's Note - Deflection won't help you here - you really need to take all of this to the Crystal Palace page.}

17 Nov 2015 14:46:14
Thanks for your thoughts guys.

Shappy - Very good counter points and food for thought.

Oz - I'm not criticising one of our own, he is just one of numerous examples. A bit too soon that is all.

Jred - Exactly what Mrs Beast said to me, so hard to argue too much.

Fresh - I agree with you, I am not a Palace fan either.

17 Nov 2015 16:35:00
Fresh I agree with you too, and strangely I'm not a Palace supporter either! Also I'm a huge fan of JWP.

There are more deserving players, but I'm made up for Lingard - who would have thought an England call up for him when this time last year he was on loan at Birmingham.

17 Nov 2015 16:42:49
Glad you see my point guys.

17 Nov 2015 17:30:37
It seems to me ed002 was playing you fresh just to get your knickers in a twist.

17 Nov 2015 18:10:04
I doubt it nelly.

17 Nov 2015 19:04:32
I'm not a palace fan either and agree with most of what your saying fresh. He may edge out the others due to the understanding he would have with the other Utd players in the team, he would also help out in defence which Zaha wouldn't as much, and think Hodgson likes that.
PS-its only an opinion.

17 Nov 2015 19:31:26
Fresh, I had this very conversation at work today, it is indeed odd that Jesse gets called up after 2 starts; LVG said the same thing. It is a damning indictment of how few English players are playing in the league. I also agree about players of smaller clubs not getting a fair crack.

17 Nov 2015 19:32:43
If you ask 100 random people to name an England squad I would imagine you would get at least 97 different answers, its up to RH. if he wants to take an opportunity to take a closer look at lingard then he will, he has had Zaha in the squad before and he Is not asking him back, no surprise there IMO. JwP is a totally different player that plays in a different position so I don't understand why he might be called up to play in an attacking wide role. He will have had glowing u21 reports and had good reports from united players and coaches, it is reported that RH spoke to lvg prior to calling him up. i'm delighted for him it will be goo for his confidence and development.
RH will continue to pick him if he does well with his club and if he feels he can contribute to his squad. He is right to have a closer look. Jessie could be a great squad member due to his ability to cover both sides equally effectively without necessarily being first choice in either therefore allowing RH greater flexibility in his squad selection.
To come through the united academy, win a youth cup, go out on loan and return to become a united squad player, and then a 1st team player shows the lad has not only got a great education but also obviously possess great character and is also a greater achievement than anything that many 1st team regulars at other clubs have achieved in their careers to date.
All of us should just be pleased for him and not be looking for reasons for him not to be in the England squad imo.

18 Nov 2015 06:02:35
I was wondering myself if Lingard would have got a call up if he played for anyone else. Is Brazil the only national team being picked by sponsors? Makes you wonder if England are now looking for players from bigger clubs to pick, over possibly better players with a lower profile for sponsors.

18 Nov 2015 09:33:14
I agree with Fresh. Ed, it is our national team, we have every right to be concerned who is picked.

{Ed002's Note - Maybe you can both take this to the Crystal Palace page and bleat about it there. Perhaps even the Spurs page and Fresh! can share his ignorance about young players and tell them that they should not be given a chance - in the light of a certain Spurs player with little experience.}

18 Nov 2015 10:48:40
Well said Fresh, I agree with you as well. Didn't know Creswell had moved to palace though. Nice piece Shappy, as always a pleasurable read!







 

 

 
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