10 Nov 2015 23:08:37
Interesting comments from depay, hope he truly does kick on. As ed002 correctly told us it was a year too early for him but I'd take a punt on him improving in the second part of the season. Though tell me, would you of rather us get him early and not have him settling quickly or give psg the chance to swoop and us kicking ourselves and bickering over why we didn't sign him when we have the chance. Hindsight is a bitch isn't it.
10 Nov 2015 23:46:35
It would have depended on who we got as the alternative. At the moment he is no good to us but like you said he hopefully will kick on. If we had stumped up the cash for say a Bale, Reus or De Bruyne I would have left Depay alone and possibly revisited him the following year if he was still available and more mature.
11 Nov 2015 07:25:59
Maze
The club moved in for Depay when it did because another club, I believe PSG, were in for him so the club acted. No doubt if United had left Depay and he had gone elsewhere and become a star, in two years you would be posting on here that LVG made a terrible mistake in not signing him. We speculated by buying him and buying him early and as I said before the season we shouldn't expect too much this season and need to give him time. I wanted Bale or perhaps Reus but if their clubs won't sell there isn't a lot we can do.
Depay has shown a couple of times he has something but I keep saying there is a mental side that needs to be right as well as physical, he needs time to see if it will come right.
11 Nov 2015 08:50:40
I think united possibly knew it was a year too early but the decision was made for us when PSG came in. we simply had to move for him at the time.
I wouldn't read too much into his form at the moment, he can develop into fine player if he knuckles down. I was very excited when we signed him and I'm still excited to see what he can become in that jersey. No way we should even consider getting rid. I also think Martial's form (and skill level tbh) is skewing expectations a bit.
11 Nov 2015 08:55:13
Red Man as stated above in my post I have said I too hope Depay comes good but the OP was asking if it was clever to sign a young player for a lot of money just to fend off interest from elsewhere which I disagree with. He may go on to be a great footballer and maybe bring us a title in a few years time but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Buying up potential for excruciatingly high prices is a gamble which we have benefited from as well as being burned by in the past.
As Ed002 stated Bale was available at the right price and if you combined the the fee we paid for Depay with what Di Maria was sold for (yes we all know it isn't that straightforward) the value comes pretty damn close to the €100million euros Madrid would have considered for Bale. Time will tell with Depay but my main worry at the moment is his character, maturity and work rate all of which are essential traits to reach the top. All of which relate to his mentality regardless of his potential ability.
11 Nov 2015 10:14:42
Maze, Real Madrid didn't want €100m for Bale. That was around what they paid for him, in fact its slightly less in todays market. The £85m Spurs recieved is around €120m now. Real Madrid were prepared to sell for a profit. The figure they would have accepted was in excess of €150m or around £106m. Which is well in excess of the £70m which is the combined fees of what we recieved from Di Maria and the inital fee we paid for Depay. Btw we also haven't recieved all of the £44m which is in staged payments.
Your also not factoring in Bales wages would be significantly higher than what Depay is on.
Getting Bale instead of Depay would have probably have ment that we wouldn't have been able to sign Martial.
Maybe Bale would have made more of an instant impact than both Martial and Depay, but in three years time you will be glad we chose the youngsters over Bale.
11 Nov 2015 10:40:46
Shappy what has £44m in staged payments got to do with anything? You do realise that the majority of purchases that we make also include staggered payments?
11 Nov 2015 10:43:08
or the fact that we payed up di marias wages for the last 4 year of his contract.
11 Nov 2015 11:29:51
TOT66, I was just pointing out that its not as straight forward as we take the money from one tranfser and add it to another. I'm aware that most transfers are done in staged payments. But still my point stands that signing Bale would have cost us significantly more than Depay as Maze is trying to suggest that Bale was a serious option instead of Depay.
As jred has pointed out we also had to pay up Di Marias extorinate wages as well which will more than likely come to close or maybe all of the 44m we will get in transfer fee for him.
His signing has been a massive and expensive mistake. But what can we do when all fans want is expensive world class signings instead of investing in younger cheaper alternatives and making them into world class stars.
11 Nov 2015 11:40:59
This is why the Ed's tell you not to think about the money as it's far to complex, and not all payment structures are made public.
Would we prefer Bale to Depay AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, yes. but ask the same question in 2 or 3 years it might be a different answer, depending on whether Depay progresses as we all hope and whether Bale still struggles to stay fit for more than 3 months.
11 Nov 2015 11:54:55
Sometimes you have to sign certain players earlier than a club would like. So if Depay does come good, which I'm sure he will, and we win a few titles down the line, then wouldn't it be seen as a shrewd buy. Rather than let's say PSG signing him and we see them go on to win titles etc. and thinking we missed the boat on that one.
Maze you would be the first to criticize the club if that was to happen. Be glad we have a potential worldie on our hands for a decent fee. Rather than looking at some other club nurture that talent into something big.
11 Nov 2015 12:23:16
Just out of interest has it been confirmed anywhere that we had to pay up DiMaria's last four years. Seems Jred made a very strident factual statement and wondered what basis it was made on?
11 Nov 2015 12:36:55
redman
the ed has explained it try the search function.
11 Nov 2015 12:40:54
Its pretty standard practice that a players wages are paid up when he leaves unless he hands in a transfer request. that's why so few players hand in transfer requests.
11 Nov 2015 13:04:05
Jred, stop being so strident!
11 Nov 2015 13:11:28
i think but i'm not sure that we might of, possibly maybe sort off payed some of di maria wages .
but maybe we never.
11 Nov 2015 11:42:16
Shappy, I have no idea where you got those figure from regarding Bale, I am assuming from the media. Maybe you are right, maybe they would want in excess of what you say but my point was that someone like Bale could have been available at the right price. As for the wages when Di Maria left the wages would have been available.
Like I said I know that transfers are never as straightforward as 2 + 2 = 4 and as Jred pointed out we still had to pay up Angel's contract. Like you said maybe we Memphis will be the next big thing but will he bring us a title the way Ronaldo did or the way in my opinion a Bale would? I don't think so at this point. You can have all the ability in the world but you must have the correct mentality and determination to get to the top.
11 Nov 2015 12:44:33
Jred
The ed explained the process including if we chose to sell a player what would usually be payable but we don't know what was negotiated or whether he asked for a transfer and precluded that. I will not assume we paid that, yet you refer to it as fact.
11 Nov 2015 13:52:06
redman
the ed explained we made a significant loss and why on di maria .
11 Nov 2015 13:58:12
Isn't EVERY player available at the RIGHT price?
11 Nov 2015 15:07:20
Madrids bound to want to make at least the money back or a profit.
11 Nov 2015 15:23:18
Do you really think Perez would be prepared to make a loss on his golden boy?
The only way he could save face after defending Bale so much is if we made an offer they couldn't refuse.
11 Nov 2015 15:32:26
perez confirmed at the time bale cost €91 mill .
im sure madrid would want at least that amount now, not sure it would be as high as £150m.
11 Nov 2015 15:46:31
I was told Real Madrid wanted around 150m Euros. Which is around the 106m Pounds mark. Which I don't think is too far wide of the mark. Bearing in mind the way the Pound has increased in strength against the Euro in the last couple of years.
11 Nov 2015 15:56:31
shaps
madrid deal in the € not the £ .
what if a spanish team wanted bale would madrid want €150 because the pound has gone up .
bale cost madrid €91 mil i'm sure that's what they would start his price at regardless of the pound.
11 Nov 2015 16:04:12
This idea that 'everyone is available at the right price' just makes me laugh. Does anyone seriously believe that if we phoned up bayern and said were offering £150m for lewi, mueller and goetz then bayern would simply say ' hell why not. how about we throw in our goalie for another £50 then you can let david go to madrid after all we aren't really bothered about the champions league as long as we can win the german league by march, nor do we care what our fans think'
A player is only available at the right price if the player himself perceives that he is moving to a bigger club and the selling club accept that it is best to sell a player who doesn't want to be there.
Mane may be available at the 'right price' because koeman will realise that southampton can never match the wages he could earn elsewhere nor could they offer him champions league football.
Ferdinand and rooney were both available at the ' right price' as neither leeds or everton could match the ambition of the players who wanted to move to a bigger club.
Money was never an issue in the RVP deal. It was RVP that forced wenger's hand not utd offering a few extra million.
Clubs like Barcelona RM BM and PSG don't sell their best players to rival clubs when the player himself has no desire to leave. Imagine the reaction from our fans if CR7 had pledged himself to Utd for life only for AF to say ' sorry son your going to madrid.
Bale is a multi millionare who wants to be at RM who equally do not want to sell him. The idea that either/both could be persuaded to change their minds for a bit of cash is ridiculous. Maybe in 5yrs time but not now.