08 Nov 2015 10:32:13
I was interested that yesterday LVG gave a debut to another youngster, an 18 year old product of our youth system. As I posted a few days ago Tuanzebe was on the bench last week and of course Lingard is getting his chance as well.
It belies the opinion that LVG would only give youth a chance if he had to. Perhaps LVG deserves some credit for clearing a path for these local kids to see there is an opportunity to come through at United, totally opposite to the comments by Devante Cole about City recently. LVG moved on a lot of players in the mid range reservists and whether the young lads make it or not they should now be able to see opportunities will be there again. I bet the young lad yesterday was buzzing and the other youth, Manchester youth at that will share that feeling in and around the club.
At a time when LVG is taking pelters perhaps he has done something well in clearing the path for our kids to get a chance, he deserves some credit for that.
08 Nov 2015 10:45:13
It's good to see. Personally I'd much rather see these young lads on the bench rather than average players like Cleverley, etc.
08 Nov 2015 11:28:12
Red man, if they're good enough and if they have a good head on their shoulders, then they will be a fantastic asset to the club as they have loyalty towards the club and understand the club.
I think that is what separated class of 92 from the rest, all of them had a good grounding and that's why they went on to do well.
Some of the youth players these days think they've achieved everything after one match. We saw that with januzaj, morrison and some of the others. The ones who will make it are the ones who are humble with both feet on the floor. That's where fergie was at his best, he knew how to handle them.
08 Nov 2015 11:29:02
Interesting to see him doing it at a time when the press are suggesting he is under so much pressure, love seeing the youth given a chance at United it is really good to see.
Like you say, makes a mockery of the people saying he only uses youth when it's absolutely necessary.
08 Nov 2015 11:42:49
Great post Redman,
Its always good to see youngsters play for us. We have been playing our own youth for years now and its been out tradition to promote youngsters.
Well done to Van Gaal for giving rhe youth the chance.
08 Nov 2015 12:14:35
When he picks them over other first team players, he will get my praise.
Imagine we were in a tough game and we were left with untested youngsters because our squad was so thin. There are two ways to look at it, but it seems he is being given credit here for leaving us vulnerable and he has already shown that the youngsters vanish as soon as the first team players are fit.
I want to see the youngsters given a chance and if they do well they keep their place. The minute Lingard has a poor game he will vanish, yet Depay, Rooney, Mata have had 20 games of doing virtually nothing.
08 Nov 2015 12:34:27
Can't understand why so many disagrees red man. Good post makes sense but you made the cardinal sin of giving the manager some credit. That will upset the knuckle daggers and morons as ed002 calls them.
08 Nov 2015 12:42:56
Ken,
As proved by beast's post, some people can't give the manager credit for anything and will turn a good thing into a bad thing.
08 Nov 2015 12:56:45
I'm not turning a good thing into a bad thing. I am just saying that it's too soon to judge. It's ironic how most of the positive posters talk about waiting before passing judgement, yet the second there is a sniff of anything positive you are over it like a rash.
Red Man's point is premature that is my only point. Although I want to see as many young players from the academy as possible and it is nice to see young guys getting games whatever the reason. When it's out of choice LVG deserves credit, but at the moment it's because he has left himself short of options.
08 Nov 2015 13:13:13
Fresh makes a good point but with a bad example. Cleverley was a youth product just like the lads getting their chance, and had shown the early promise required to warrant the chance.
The fact he didn't kick on but stayed at the club so long shows there is a fine balance required between giving a young player enough chances to know if they've got what it takes to make it at United, or too many once it's clear they won't.
And to make the balance trickier, throw in the fact that a core of "squad players" born and raised at the club is a good way of the club having an identity that is easily transferable to new players coming in.
08 Nov 2015 13:55:31
So was lingers not chosen ahead of depay? Was Pereira not chosen over others for the league cup? McNair was chosen last year ahead of other senior pros. But don't let the facts get in they way o your bias beast.
08 Nov 2015 14:50:14
Ken, you can't use league cup games to back your argument up. Every club in the league play the second string players in that cup. As for being picked above Memphis, on his performances so far I'd be aggrieved if I wasn't picked ahead of him. Beast has a point in that youth getting a chance will be judged over the course of a season, if they play regularly or just a flash in the pan few games.
08 Nov 2015 15:22:29
Surely the best way to blood young players is to put them in here and there and see how they do, not just throw them in straight away as first team regulars, no top team does that.
08 Nov 2015 15:38:31
Of course it is GDS2 - but to be praising him for doing something when he has no alternative option is a bit of a reach at this stage. Especially as I like many others feel he has been very shortsighted with his transfer business.
I know you love my analogies:
If I sit and eat crisps all day and the doctor tells me you need to run or die. Would I deserve praise for going for a run? If the doctor tells me I am now "safe" but I carry on running then maybe I deserve it, but not if I have no option.
08 Nov 2015 15:41:21
LVG has a history of identifying young players and giving them a chance, both Barcelona and Bayern benefitted.
Amazed by the comment "when it is out of choice LVG deserves credit but at the moment it is because he has left himself short of options. "
LVG under massive pressure recently, from fans chanting attack, ex players hammering him, the anti press, let alone the anti brigade on here. Yet with yesterday's game, an important league not a league cup game, which was finely balanced at one nil, where if it had gone wrong he would have been totally pilloried, he had the guts to bring on an 18 year old local lad for his debut, and that wasn't "out of choice"? Perhaps he should still have a Buttner in the squad, ready to come on?
People forget that SAF lost a brilliant kid called Pogba who didn't get a chance when SAF played Rafael and Park in central midfield. LVG deliberately cleared a path and whilst time will tell if any are good enough, the kids must be feeling they now have a chance and that must encourage them. Ignore this if you wish but is that not what we stand for, what Gary Neville was worried about, local lads getting a chance?
LVG isn't my cup if tea but hell if he gives a kid a chance like that he gets credit from me.
08 Nov 2015 15:52:23
Fantastic post redman agree 100%.
08 Nov 2015 15:55:28
If we had another CB or full back available he wouldn't have got a kick Red Man.
Rojo had been booked and was on a last warning. Sessegnon was starting to get a lot of the ball and looked by far their most dangerous player. Jones had already come on for our Right Winger who was playing full back, and we had no other defenders on the bench.
I just think you are being too quick with your praise here. No biggy, but he really didn't have any other options available to him imo.
08 Nov 2015 16:07:32
Beast,
But we don't have other option available because he has let squad players who weren't good enough leave, clearly having in mind that he would use young players.
I appreciate you will never give him credit, but you are complaining he's let players go and then complaining he's using youth as a necessity, is he not using youth because he let the players go, his own choice?
I agree 100% with red man's post also.
08 Nov 2015 16:15:38
Gds, I'm not saying youth players should start every single game. Of course not. But I'm interested to see if Lingard is still getting games consistantly throughout the season. I agree with Beast in that the defence and attack was neglected in the window again, and therefore there will be times when he's forced into using them. I hope Lingard keeps his place through merit. If he plays well enough then leave the £30m winger on the bench. Age is nothing. If your good enough you should play. If any of the kids are establish at the end of the season I'll heap the praise on the surgeon from the Human Centipede. If they're just getting a game due to low numbers well anyone would Do the same.
08 Nov 2015 16:44:35
He didn't have to play him Beast. He could have easily moved Blind out to LB, moved Carrick back into CB and brought on Herrera into midfield.
In fact if Brothwick-Jackson had given away a penalty or gifted West Brom and equaliser I'm sure either you or one of the other haters would have said it was naive of LvG to throw a youngster on and he should have moved Blind to LB or kept Rojo on.
So by the same token then I think people are allowed to praise a manager who is following in our clubs traditions by giving youth a chance.