18 Sep 2015 15:41:52
Well there's some of us who are getting fed up of people worried about not addressing key areas and other who chose to bury their heads in the sand. All summer I amoungst others found it criminal that after the amount of money spent by LVG, we still found ourselves without a 30 goal a season striker and desperately weak at the back. So far just a month into the season we have had 3 poor results, which a lot of people chose to ignore the problems leading to the results. I'm reading a lot of "if we had a bit of luck" or "we should of been 3-0 up by half time" etc, but the point is without making that top froward sighing were still toothless up top, and we will suffer this season for that. Martial announced himself with a great goal, but you won't get consistent magic like that week in week out from a kid, he needs time, just like Dapay does. Rooney won't score 20 prem goals. People want mata out the side but he's out second or third top scorer. Do we take his goals out the side too?
We're in the position where we have a CM being played as first choice CB, and after a shocking injury to Shaw, who I genuinely think was on his way to the top is his position, we're not worried about moving our CM from his makeshift CB position. This situation is scandalous considering we've spent a quarter of a billion. I amoungst others have no trust in Jones, I think he need moving on. He's a poor player, really do believe that. Not a top half of the table player. Very wreckles and clumsy. Rojo has shown me nothing to be happy with. I don't recall one game where he stood up to the plate.
Shaw is probably the last person I would want out for the season. He offers pace and width down that side and we will miss him massively. If personally rather leave blind where he is, and bring young in at LB.
We're still short in these departments and until They're addressed we will not challenge. It will be fourth again this year. A month into the season and I'm hoping we start with Blind and Young in a back 4. What a position to be in after £250m spent.
18 Sep 2015 16:15:44
Ah well if it's already 4th again no point in you watching this year, see you in May.
18 Sep 2015 16:21:25
there is plenty of goals in the team .
mata rooney martial depay will all get goals i'm sure .
we bought players , we spent money just not the players some wanted .
18 Sep 2015 16:23:34
should also add there is a lack of top strikers.
i don't think there is a single 30 league goal as season striker out there.
apart from messi and ronaldo
18 Sep 2015 16:29:39
how do u know we don't have a 30 goal a season striker, granted its unlikely but u surly have to wait a few months before declaring those points?
U seem to of twisted a lot things to suit your narrative there bud.
I agree in the most that after 250m spent we should have better squad depth.
18 Sep 2015 16:50:49
Do not ever complain or question anything LVG and his management team have done in the past 14 months. You are just spoilt and need to start supporting the team wholeheartedly even if you don't like what's going on. You are so contradiary and negative to the point I am not even sure you are really a Unied fan.
18 Sep 2015 17:08:33
I think your criticism on Rojo is unwarranted.
He along with Ricardo Rodriguez was the best LB at the world cup and I for one will have no problem if he plays at LB in Shaw's absence.
Yes I would obviously prefer Shaw but Rojo is a decent replacement to have in the side.
18 Sep 2015 17:11:19
Always the way you are using the number 250mp to prove your point about our defence selection is irrelevant really.
Had we spent the 38mp we spent on Martial on Hummels/Otamendi then you would be the one saying
"A month into the season and I'm hoping we start with Rooney and Wilson in front 2. What a position to be in after £250m spent."
18 Sep 2015 17:12:17
So what would you have different. Who would you have signed. Give me 2 names for striker and centre back.
18 Sep 2015 16:28:31
Spot on there I mean 30 goal a season strikers grow on trees don't they?
18 Sep 2015 17:19:56
I would have been happy blowing say £40m bringing in lacazette (if attainable) , and £20m on Ashley Williams (as Ramos etc) were unrealistic. Would be a totally different animal with just them two upgrades.
18 Sep 2015 17:26:26
Calling Daley Blind a makeshift defender really is stupid as I've alluded to before.
He played 34 league games in 2012-13 which was the season he really solidified his place in the Ajax team. Surprisingly the 'makeshift' defender played 32 games at LB and 2 games at CB. I think I'm okay with him 'filling in' at LB while Luke's injured.
18 Sep 2015 17:31:35
I think you have another on the "negative" list. Stand-United although I don't agree with you but welcome to the club bro
18 Sep 2015 17:32:11
JMB, why the constant smart arsed remarks mate? Some people just have different views on things.
It doesn't make u wrong or right yet u seem to think your opinion or anyone that u agree with is 100% right mate.
It makes it very hard to actually have a decent debate with you as your posts come across arrogant and self obsessed.
You make some very good points but u seem to only aim your debatable points to people that agree with your notion and shoot down anyone who may have a different view.
Maybe I'm just reading it wrong though, in which case I apologize.
18 Sep 2015 17:36:47
I said that jred mate, how many of these actual World class striker are there?
I think u now have to buy them young and hope with the club's guidance they turn into that, then try and hang on to them for as long as possible.
18 Sep 2015 17:53:21
If 30 goals a season strikers grew on trees. I prefer not to be thought of as head buried in the sand thanks very much. We see what the squad needs. We had glory years born by hard work. It will take hard work to come back and a good ounce of luck. We have a good squad many new faces over two seasons and it's absolutely nuts to expect cohesion yet.
We are not entitled to the worlds best players
18 Sep 2015 18:10:14
Stand-United and what makes you say we did not try to sign Lacazette for 40mp before going for Martial for 38mp?
18 Sep 2015 18:21:16
stand
so you would of bought lacazette .
but we bought martial so like i say its just a case we bought a striker just not the one you wanted.
18 Sep 2015 18:44:18
Jesus H Christ, how many world class centre backs and 30 goal a season strikers were available?
Name me three teams who signed a 30 goal a season striker?
Now name me three teams who signed a world class centre back?
Quite simply there isn't that many world class players around, and even less that are for sale. The position of centre back is going though a transition of sorts with more emphisis than ever before being placed on their ability to be a playmaker as well as a defender meaning few now tick all the boxes. As for strikers I remember 15 years ago when 15 goals a season was very good for a striker, then it was 20, then 25 now 30 and suprise suprise their are less and less that fit the bill as the bar gets risen higher and higher.
With no world class centre backs or strikers being available we were left with the option of paying world class fees for players far from world class.
Otamendi is a good player but certainly not so good as worthy of being our most expensive defender ever. Kane had a good season last year but 50m come on.
People blasted LvG for not doing well enough last season in their opinions then in the next sentence slam him for not signing another 4 players on top of the 6 he signed which the squad obviously needs in their opinions.
Some people just love to have a whinge and moan, maybe they need to take a step back from the keyboard before they make too big and idiot of themselves.
18 Sep 2015 19:42:16
Brilliant post that Shaps.
18 Sep 2015 20:40:34
Brilliant post shapps??
Shappy
Read again, and at what point do I say we have to sign world class defenders and world class striker?
In your opinion have we improved out centre of defence since LVG took over? And in your opinion is our attack considerably better since he took over? If not, then £250m has been spent and we still have major issues. So what's wrong with my view??????
18 Sep 2015 20:18:43
In summer I would have loved Lewandowski or Bale and LaPorte but they didn't arrive so no amount of moaning will make a difference now. Without that quality I said the best we could hope for was third and I maintain that now
I don't understand why our own fans want to beat the club and manager with the £250m line that the Scouse infested press use to bash us with, especially when we have done all sorts of deals that means considering a net spend would give a far better idea of reality. If LVG doesn't meet the targets set then the light will shine on him or Woodward for not delivering the players LVG wanted
Right now people forget we have cleared a path for the youth, previously it was a crowded path but now the good ones have a chance. In all the moaning it may have been missed but I saw a 17 year old Marcus Rashford had scored two goals and earn praise from Nicky Butt a couple of nights ago. We also bought Martial who looks to me to have something potentially really special. Maybe we are somewhere that young talented players have a chance to grow.
Use £250m if you want to bash LVG and our club but I think we have turned a corner from the dark days finishing 7th.
18 Sep 2015 21:36:05
redman
so in short , don't beat the club about spending 250 mil but you think we can only finsh 3rd and we need to spend more.
would we of finished 7th if the last manager had spent that amount ? but it was fine for our fans to beat the manager then .
i honestly think we have bought well .
could of done with a cb tho .
that said i'm very surprised to say blind has played well there
18 Sep 2015 22:26:12
There's no way in the world u can compare Moyes with lvg regardless of your feeling toward either jred, one had never handled top players while the other has.
Would Moyes of done better? I don't think so, I think he would of signed players that he could handle(fellani, Baines etc) and it would of been less than 250m but with the little carrot of accepting a CL spot run each year. With players of that level.
The club signed Mata, and let's be honest the guy has an incredible personality to just play football but not all are like him unfortunately.
18 Sep 2015 23:01:41
ctr
but did he not try to sign fabergas bale garay and herrera.
i think if moyes had spent 250 mil he would of had a better team and finished higher than 7th .
im not a fan of moyes didn't want him but i also said at the time his squad was average.
lvg took over moyes squad bought rojo, di maria , falcao , blind , shaw and herrera . i might of missed one .
there are pros and cons for both managers i always try and give a balanced view .
but how some slate moyes for everything for a full season then start with the back the manager balls the next is beyond me.
the double standards drive me nuts .
19 Sep 2015 07:15:23
Jred
You say you take a balanced view then use the spent £250m argument, totally ignoring the net balance that the player sales brought in, then say double standards drive you nuts, do you not see the irony?
Moyes could not command the respect of the players at that level because he had never been there, he could have spent £250m and still finished 7th again, like Rodgers. I thank Woodward massively for sacking him.
I don't say back the manager, but I do say that he has acted decisively unlike his predecessor, which was desperately needed after SAF left, but didn't happen. It may be one small example, but when appointed, Moyes went off on holiday instead of getting down to the job at hand, LVG arrived straight after the World Cup and gave up his holiday to set immediately to work.
19 Sep 2015 09:38:49
redman
forget the net balance look at the quality and the amount of the players we have added to squad.
your argument of we would of still finished 7th even if we had improved the squad with new players about sums your opinion up .
you spat the dummy out about moyes before a ball was kicked then spent 12 month telling us to back lvg .
the double standards are pathetic
19 Sep 2015 09:43:28
red man
should also point out you where turning on your boy lvg only 2 weeks ago because he hadnt bought the superstar players you thought we needed.
what is it you keep saying this squad can only finish 4th . so the same as last year even after adding martial, depay etc etc .
19 Sep 2015 09:58:52
Jred
I believed Moyes was utterly the wrong choice, said so and was proved right
I didn't want LVG , if you recall I wanted Klopp (and still do) but I didn't feel he was going to be anywhere near as bad as Moyes obviously was and he hasn't been,
I must have lost the last 12 months because I don't remember telling anyone to back LVG. However I will happily repeat what I believe, in that LVG is a short term turnaround director preparing the ground for the next manager which will be the vital one. I think he came in to a crisis caused by SAF letting go and the club appointing completely the wrong man. LVG has turned the supertanker away from the reef we were steaming towards and for that he deserves respect. LVG is not who I want as manager but compared to Moyes is a huge step above.
The £250m is used by the anti LVG and United pundits and it is double standards in your post because you don't accept the funds raised at the same time.
Lvg's judgement will be how we perform this season whilst acknowledging the club didn't buy the two players in areas LVG had identified.
19 Sep 2015 10:07:30
Yes he did try and sign cesc and others, how did that go?
They didn't want to come and play for him. Doesn't that just lend to my point mate?
19 Sep 2015 10:13:25
Jred
Can I suggest a pair of reading glasses. LVG is not "my boy" and i have just posted separately where I am with him, but that is repeating what I have said many times on here. Perhaps I should write it on a word document and just cut and paste it for you at regular intervals?
I have reflected that third was the best we could hope for given we hadn't bought the forward or CB that was needed. I also said we shouldn't expect too much from Depay this season as he needs time to settle. I have also said that LVG will be judged on performances this season yet acknowledging that if the two players he wanted were not purchased then there could well be an element of blame with Woodward. I have also said I wanted and still want Klopp long term.
Just checking, with you always mentioning the £250m to bash LVG and the club, does Jred stand for Jamie Redknapp?
19 Sep 2015 10:28:55
redman
if you don't think you have spent the last 12 month going on about backing the manager your nuts.
we don't no how much the players cost , ed explained that once you add in all the fees involved it is far more than you would expect .
forget the money as we don't no what it is .
we have added real quality to the squad imo regardless of what they might of cost .
250 is just a number what lvg has been given is the chance to get rid of the players he didn't want and the chance to get the players he did.
this imo is a far stronger squad than he took over.
19 Sep 2015 10:32:12
ctr
did lvg try to sign muller ,bale ramos etc.
is that the same or is it double standards
19 Sep 2015 10:40:02
redman
whos bashing him I've said from the start of the season its a good squad i think we will finish 2nd .
im more than happy with the money spent i think this is a better team than fergy won the title with .
we debated all last season about lvg , then in the summer he didn't buy the superstars you wanted and you have changed your tune.
this is my op
"so in short , don't beat the club about spending 250 mil but you think we can only finsh 3rd and we need to spend more.
would we of finished 7th if the last manager had spent that amount ? but it was fine for our fans to beat the manager then .
i honestly think we have bought well .
could of done with a cb tho .
that said i'm very surprised to say blind has played well there"
im fine with lvg and money spent it the hypocritical content
19 Sep 2015 10:44:31
ctr
which was the worse .
the way we went after fabergas under moyes or the way we went after ramos under lvg .
19 Sep 2015 11:02:51
Jred you make very, very, very good points old lad.