16 Sep 2015 12:18:21
We will not win anything under Louis Van Gaal.
We will not win anything under Louis Van Gaal.
We will not win anything under Louis Van Gaal.
And on , an on , and on.
We get the message JMB. Your agenda is as boring as you claim the football is.
You are an attention seeking child with a superiority complex and an agenda.
Change the record mate because we have heard it all before. You posts are just intended to cause arguments and give you the attention you crave.
What next , another couple of alter ego accounts to agree with yourself?
If you hate watching United so much , why bother. You could spend all that extra time admiring yourself in the mirror.
16 Sep 2015 12:40:44
Betty is all the points I have made not valid? I know deep down you have plenty of affection for me but you don't need to post and entire thred about thyself.
16 Sep 2015 12:42:24
Tad mean Betty. Like the last line though.
16 Sep 2015 12:36:13
The mirror would crack at so much hatred and negativity Betty. Why hurt the mirror for this child. Let him be. As it is he doesn't need us to agree with him. He has his, mine, my, myself, me to agree wtih.
16 Sep 2015 12:52:26
Ouch !
16 Sep 2015 13:14:01
It's all lather,rinse,repeat every match every day 😴😴😴😴
16 Sep 2015 13:19:57
JMB , are all the points that I have made not valid?
After your last ban on here , you came back with some good, constructive posts.
Now you have returned to your old , attention seeking self. The twist everything into being LvG's fault.
We are not stupid on here. Even the more positive posters van see our shortcomings as a team. All is not rosy , and a lot of what LvG does or says is questionable. In that respect I agree with some of your comments , as I am sure most others do.
What's gets on a lot of people's nerves , I am sure , is your constant , acidic tone towards the manager. Just about every post is aimed at ridiculing and discrediting him. Sometimes it is justified , a lot of the time not.
Your posts have become like a campaign , like you are trying to persuade us all that you are right , and "I told you so".
You are , of course, entitled to air your views and opinions as much as any of us. But don't expect everyone to like it.
But hey , you are getting the attention you so desperately crave , so I guess you will be happy with that.
We will not win anything under Louis van Gaal.
16 Sep 2015 13:54:22
Betty that last sentence of yours I couldn't have put it better myself.
I am not asking for attention mate. You are the one that created a thread regarding what I write and now you have written another post completely focusing on my views. So who is the one wasting folks time? The guy writing about Man Utd or the guy writing about how they hate another poster?
16 Sep 2015 14:41:03
Betty ,
Maybe Jesus My Brain is actually KT Hopkins
16 Sep 2015 14:46:12
JMB, I don't hate you because I don't know you. I dislike the way you court attention by trolling the site and your constant distain towards the manager. And I am not wasting folks time because I am addressing one person , you.
In fact , the only time that I am wasting is my own.
You just carry on with your vendetta and manipulating of quotes and facts as you always do , if it makes you happy.
It is a shame , because you are are obviously intelligent and show good literacy and grammar. If only you could refrain from your constant , sustained and negative agenda , you may just have something constructive to offer.
You have done it before , so why not try it again. Or do you just love the attention of being the pantomime villain too much?
16 Sep 2015 16:01:34
We might or might not win anything with the manager in charge, but I guarantee that who ever takes over from him, will take over a very good football team that has the potential to turn into a great one.
The manager is laying the foundations for a great future IMO.
16 Sep 2015 17:06:45
Sam
Exactly what a few of us have been saying for some time. LvG a turnaround director doing the stuff that should have been done as soon as SAF retired but was bottled because the person thought they had comfort of years to do it. However football is more brutal than that and we couldn't take our eye off the ball in the way we did. LvG is doing what is needed to rebuild even if we should have bought two more quality players, the foundations are far better now
16 Sep 2015 18:11:52
Redman
There is a big difference in rebuilding like inter and ac milan are doing with very little money granted they spend some this year to a manager who has spend 250 million and still we look out of sorts.
One injury to our left back and we are all concerned how we will set up to defend and how that affects our left side which is where everything offensively is coming from. We have a thin squad and so many areas that are a concern.
I am sorry but this rebuilding transition stuff is hogwash because if we were doing that we should have brought someone in with some people skills and not a guy who has an ego the size of mount everest and a bull in a china shop.
As far as i am concerned a top 4 has to be certainty and a decent runs in all the cups or he can f. k o. to where he came from.
People should stop making excuses for him he is big boy on a huge salary and war chest to go with it in spending. If we are going to credit him with some of the good things then he should also take credit for the bad stuff too.
Any manager worth a dime with a 250 million spend and what we already had at this club should be able to set up a decent foundation. I don't think he was hired for that.
16 Sep 2015 18:57:03
GCU
Nice to quote £250M, as the anti United press do, but as we are finding, Schweinsteiger really only cost £6.5m and Memphis £19.6m. We need to consider the accurate prices and as with any business, the net spend, otherwise the number is not relevant and it just becomes another press driven anti United dig.
16 Sep 2015 19:48:38
Redman
Not an anti united thing but reality. Maybe we should get ED002 to explain our spend is probably well beyond that given agent fees ,taxes, legal fees, registration fees etc etc
Net spend is just a way a balancing the books, he has bought over 250 million on players he wants and got rid of those he did not want.
People should not make excuses for him and if he gets it right credit to him otherwise he should be sacked. No manager in our history has been given this sort of support in spending.
{Ed002's Note - It might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £40M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).
What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays).
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.
17 Sep 2015 01:54:36
Bloody hell! Where to start with this one?
Perhaps best to firstly thank 002 for listing the complexities of a transfers financies; nice one!
Secondly, can I suggest JMB/MAZE only posts positive comments from now on? If you have nothing good to say then just don't bother; cheers pal.
We get the whole anti LVG thing and most of us agree you're not all wrong. Thing is there are also some positIves and we should focus on and celebrate them.
More importantly we should discus how best to build on what we have to take the squad to the next level.
I did think we'd need another Cb but I've been proved wrong by Blind playing really well there and I think Young could do a great job of cover at LB.
We have a lot of new and young players who we should be patient with while they adapt, integrate, develop and gel as a team.
Massive changes are being made and they take time to realise.
Just remember it will all come good eventually so be patient.
The only change I think we need is the addition of a top, experienced CF such as Benzema or Levendovski. Other than that just time and patience for what we have to come good
{Ed007's Note - I must have missed the e-mail saying that it was up to you what got posted onto the site, thanks anyway but you're services in that department are no longer required - we've got it covered.
Have you ever heard the term 'playing the man and not the ball'? It came into my head the other day when I was talking about the standard of the EPL, if you can't argue against someone's points you attack them personally... see the comparison?
You stick to posting about football and we'll keep running the sites and deciding what to post, that Coolio with you?}
17 Sep 2015 06:59:52
GCU
Like it or not a business will rely on receivables as well as payables.
Thanks to the Ed for such detail, certainly a lot of costs involved.
The gross overall spend is the press "anti" method of propagating the level of failure against managers and in this case specifically LVG. In most cases that has a little value because generally clubs buy to improve but often are replacing players moving on. It gives the press, mostly ex Scouse or Scouse sycophants, good headlines doesn't it, they can call people failures for spending X, shock horror and then hope for a sacking to make more headlines for them. You and all those United fans who are using the £250m against LVG are propagating their stories for them, they can see their constant negative press about the amount spent us being picked up by our own fans and they keep using it. Cue the Scouse presenters to say after every goal against us that "after spending quarter of a billion" this happens and some of you lap it up and repeat it, propagating their negative slant on our club, the club they would love to bring to its knees.
Net spend is not just a way of balancing the books, it is reality, it's what happens in business as you will know.
The real point here is that our situation has been unusual, we found ourselves in a real hole after SAF and the other one and needed to address our situation quickly. LVG was brought in to turn things around, we were like a supertanker racing to a reef and he needed to take action quickly. He has done and started to balance the squad. Yes we still needed a central defender and a striker but I don't really care how much he spends and I will let the Financial Accountants worry about the balance sheet and P&L.
You are correct if he gets it right, credit to him otherwise, at the appropriate moment he should be sacked, yet I see a better direction than we have had for a while.
Indeed no manager in our history has been given this sort of support in spending, however as I said on here for years SAF retiring was our Busby moment and we blew it, so drastic measures were needed, just don't join those who want to bring the club down.
17 Sep 2015 09:50:06
Bond, is your comment meant just for me or also for Betty swallocks and the other posters on this thread who have been far more vociferous with their advice for JMB/MAZE on what he should or more to the point shouldn't write?
{Ed007's Note - If I seen them coming out with statements like this then it would,
'Secondly, can I suggest JMB/MAZE only posts positive comments from now on? If you have nothing good to say then just don't bother; cheers pal.'
Tell me who gave you the authority to tell people what and when they should post, and who do you think you are you to tell anyone not to post on here?
Have you never heard of cyber-bullying?}
17 Sep 2015 13:06:56
Ed007 very commendable comments mate.
{Ed007's Note - Generally speaking just because some people disagree with you doesn't mean you're not entitled to your opinion and nobody except us Eds decide what posts get published.}
17 Sep 2015 15:09:44
Ok Bond, I can accept that and I apologise for overstepping the mark.
Just to take a positive from the discussion to clarify what is appropriate posting, please can you just confirm it's ok to insult other posters with lines such as "You are an attention seeking child with a superiority complex and an agenda"
Plus its also ok to tell people how to post in this way "change the record mate because we have heard it all before"
17 Sep 2015 21:15:26
Redman
If you say so, i don't think his philosophy will win trophies but will get you enough points to place in the top 4. I also do not think it is propaganda as he has spend a bucket load of money and quite poorly if i may so. Fergie made appoint of buying players with character this guys buys and sells as if he is shopping at Tesco.
Di Maria, Falcao, Rojo, Valdes are some examples and we have never had a circus like this at our club and he is definitely a circus act.