10 Sep 2015 23:23:58
As a rival fan it doesn't bother me one way or the other if DeGea signs a new deal.
What I don't understand is why Rooney got slaughtered by your fans for wanting out and then turning round and signing a new mega deal to keep him at the club. Is DeGea not doing the exact same thing. Isn't the only reason he's likely to stay is money. Yet every United fan I know is prepared to accept it as a triumph if he stays.
Kinda smacks of two faced given the service Rooney has given the club over the years don't you think.
10 Sep 2015 23:54:21
Said the same thing below Simon. Good point.
11 Sep 2015 00:11:59
If you don't understand the difference now then you never will, good luck Saturday.
11 Sep 2015 00:18:49
two faced , double standards you might have a point.
hate to agree with a scouse fan but then some of my united brothers think robson isn't a legend
11 Sep 2015 00:21:27
Some will agree others will disagree, its an ongoing everlasting debate on here regarding Wayne. It did seem to be about more than money with Ddg but none of us can know for sure.
For me, football lost its soul to money a long time ago so I try to ignore that side of things. I don't feel that bad towards either player and although I wish loyalty was still prevalent in the game I fear those days are leaving us.
11 Sep 2015 00:04:27
Rooney was purely in it for the money. De Gea wanted to go home and got shafted by madrid. Him signing a new deal parallels Ronaldo. He'll still go but we get a better fee. Assuming he signs.
{Ed007's Note - Have you ever heard about The Montreal Screwjob? Years after it all happened it came out that it was really Bret that screwed Bret, he screwed it up for himself - the same will be said in years to come of De Gea.
Players at that level don't get shafted, them and their agent are always in control.}
11 Sep 2015 01:42:29
Rooney was talking about going to city on more money, De Gea was going to Real Madrid to be close to his girl friend on less money than what we offered him. Big difference in my eyes and to be honest can't blame Rooney that the nature of the game now a days, its a business if someone offers me more money i go back to my boss and see what he says, no different if your a footballer i suppose.
11 Sep 2015 01:55:06
It is a job to them.
And what's wrong with wanting to be amongst the top earners of your profession if you (or at least your ball skills) are essentially one of the key Products that profession sells to its Customers? Nothing imo.
All professions are the same, I can think of one specific example.
11 Sep 2015 07:00:58
mendes has played the whole thing very well.
11 Sep 2015 07:45:33
JRED
Why do you say that. If I am sitting at the club what would a top goalie cost us this summer if he went with clubs knowing fully that we are desperate for one. 30 million plus serious wages. So paying DDG a signing bonus and keeping him at the club for 5 more years is a no brainer.
11 Sep 2015 07:46:46
Mendes does'nt really care where DeGea plays his football as long as he gets his big piece of the cake.
11 Sep 2015 07:53:46
Simon
2 very different cases. Imagine Coutinho being a spanish player holding out for more money and him and his agent publicly making statements and even going as far as making a deal with Everton that was purely wage based than let's say wanting to go back to Barca where he is from and accepting a lesser wage package that you were offering for an extension. Q Countinho is next lol.
See you boys on saturday :)
11 Sep 2015 09:06:37
Some people will feel the same way about De Gea as they do about Rooney, it just gives some people an extra thing to complain about, there are obvious differences between the 2 situations but we can't complain for years that we want the club to spend money and then when they do spend it to keep top players complain players only want to be here for the money.
11 Sep 2015 09:33:44
i have said many times, that the first time Rooney did what DeGea has done, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and moved on. When he then decided to do it again, that is when he lost me. DeGea has done it, and as I said, he is the last year of his contract and needs a new one, give him the going rate, not an over inflated rate as others have received, if he wants a signing on bonus, give it him and add it to the release value, simples. We shouldn't over pay no matter what.
{Ed002's Note - What "release value" is that.}
11 Sep 2015 09:49:22
Whatever United may want for him as a fee, I have no idea on contracts and the financial side of things, and have never claimed to have. I know you are in a much better position to know the ins and outs, so I wouldn't try and claim anything. All I am saying is that if he is still looking to leave, but wants a fee to sign on, then surely it can be agreed that we would ask for extra to cover it, should he leave in the very near future. Especially if he only wants to be here for the season.
But as I said, I have no idea what he wants, what Reals future plans are etc. I just wouldn't stupidly overpay to keep anyone here, personally.
By the way ed, what's your pic? I've wondered for a bit, but can't make it out.
{Ed002's Note - You cannot expect a future buying club to pick up any signing on fee paid to the player - that simply won't be happening.
I am not sure about the picture - I rarely look at the web site.}
11 Sep 2015 10:18:56
gcu
i think mendes has played the press very well .
he has pushed for a move to madrid with out alienating any of the united fans .
things could of got ugly but it looks like ddg will keep the fans on his side and get a bumper deal.
with a different strategy thinks could of look very different so like i say i think mendes has played the whole thing very well
11 Sep 2015 10:24:07
if ddg really wants to go home for the wife etc etc what's changed .
he can go in 9 months time .
if he is homesick and all that and wants to go back to spain why sign a new contract .
11 Sep 2015 10:33:55
If he wanted to go home that desperately he could terminate his contract and take a year out.
Money, money, money. Was that money I heard?
{Ed002's Note - No he can't.}
11 Sep 2015 10:36:32
jred, you only have to look at Mendes client list to see how good he is at what he does. I don't like it and the way it is done, but hey. I agree, if he wants to go, let him at the end of the season, don't throw stupid money at him though.
11 Sep 2015 11:11:33
So he couldn't buy out the last year of is contract Ed?
Essentially you are saying if he wanted he cannot quit his job? Surely there is a human right law in there somewhere.
{Ed002's Note - No he can't buy out the remainder of his contract. And I suspect you don't understand what human rights are either.}
11 Sep 2015 11:14:38
brendan
thats sort of my point if things have got to the point that ddg really wants to go back to spain , family bird etc fine he is only human. he can go in 9 month time but if he signs a big fat long term contract i would question what his motive was for leaving.
11 Sep 2015 11:38:18
We took the bird out for a slap up meal. She liked it but wanted somebody better looking. The guy she wanted didn't work out, so she comes back to you. Should you tell her where to go, or say here's a house, car, slap-up meal, anything you want?
I know what I would do, but as our club is becoming a desperate joke we will be happy to be treated like mugs until another good looking guy comes along.
11 Sep 2015 11:50:48
My own take on it, is that Utd won't play him until he shows an inclination to sign a new contract, therefore guaranteeing us a fair price for him if he does still want to go next season.
He knows that would hinder his chances of playing for Spain in the Euros, so he signs up, probably with some sort of release clause for next season. I suspect he's also aware that RM didn't bid officially for him until the last day of the window, so is probably wondering just how committed they are to buying him.
Anyway, we get our top-class goalie for another season at least, he gets game time for the Euros, he'll probably still get a move next season if he wants to go home, and the club will get a fair price. It's a win-win for everyone as far as I can see.
Except Madrid. But I could care less about that.
He'll still get my support - he ran down his contract. Nothing more, nothing less. He didn't actively agitate for a move, or threaten the club with signing for one of our rivals.
Twice.
{Ed002's Note - The Euros would be of no consequence if he wants to leave at the end of the season and is willing to see his contract out.}
11 Sep 2015 11:55:02
beast
can you remember fergy running over to france twice to get cantona to come back and play for us
11 Sep 2015 12:23:46
jred,
That never happened because Cantona is a hero.
11 Sep 2015 12:48:01
Ed, is the Spanish manager going to pick a player who hasn't played competitive football all season?
{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about.}
11 Sep 2015 13:28:50
Ed, I was going on the theory that if he just ran his contract down, then LVG may not deem him to be fully committed to the cause, or not right mentally to play, as he's done already this season.
So when the season ends, and the Euros start, Spain wouldn't likely be picking a rusty, undercooked keeper with no recent first team games under his belt.
Every top player wants to play in the top tournaments.
{Ed002's Note - It would be of absolutely zero importance in his thinking - the amounts of money involved are significant and a few games next summer matter not one iota.}
11 Sep 2015 06:17:27
Love the reference bond ☺
{Ed007's Note - (yes)