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12 Aug 2015 22:42:22
we have just bought a young 21 year old dutch lad who scored 22 league goals in 30 games last season.
he is quick , can beat a man ,scores great goals, freekick expert and very skillfull.

yet i read we have no goal threat , no pace, we need a reus or a bale .
we might of just bought the next big thing but it would seem to me he hasn't good a big enough name .

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12 Aug 2015 22:59:11
I think you are right jred. I said the other day I would really like to see him drive at defences the way Sterling did agaisnt WBA. He has the makings of a top winger so get him on the wing!

12 Aug 2015 23:09:34
Jred you've turned heel on me ha. I think depay will be great I think we need better than Pedro tho, but with Memphis we still not looking a threat, I'll give him more than a game tho ha.

12 Aug 2015 23:09:56
maze
i would like to see herrera play the 10 with depay and maybe pedro wide.

we look strong a cm strong at fb.
maybe only a cb missing if ddg stays .

starts to look a stronger team .
i would love us to buy ramos , bale and messi but i do think this is a stronger squad than many give it credit for.

it should be ,i think we will of spent 300mil in 12 month soon

12 Aug 2015 23:16:59
I still think a front 3 from Depay, Rooney, Januzaj, Mata, Pedro and Wilson, offers a good blend of youth, experience, pace, craft, intelligence and strength.

Let them do their thing, instead of stifling them, and I think what we have is plenty good enough for the EPL anyway.

I'd still love Bale, though :)

12 Aug 2015 23:27:42
Or maybe he's still a kid jred and people see the need to nurture young talent and not throw all your expectations on a 21 year old kid who has played little over 67 mins in the prem?

Just a thought mind.

12 Aug 2015 23:48:29
chris
your quite right we should buy a 60 mill superstar like di maria who will take the epl by storm.

13 Aug 2015 00:05:52
welsh
i think we have a good squad , i thought we had good squad last season that underperformed.
im just not sure the manager is getting enough out the squad.

i keep reading lvg is a top manager he just needs to buy bale and lewandowski.
well if liverpool bought bale and lewandowski rodgers would be a great manager.

lvg has signed a number of players for a large amount of cash . there maybe not the players i would of bought but there the players he wanted and there good players.

a front 3 of pedro ,rooney and depay look good to me tho.
herrera and the 2 sch looks a good cm.
our fb position look good
and there is still plenty on the bench.

imo we have the players maybe not the team.

13 Aug 2015 00:13:53
99
i would agree with that .
imo i think we could have a strong forward line in the right system and tactics .

13 Aug 2015 00:34:58
I meant to include Perreira in there, too. Hoping this is his breakthrough year.

13 Aug 2015 01:59:56
Yeah jred, I think we agree that lvg isn't getting the best outta the obvious talent we do have, I think bale and lew are the type of player we should aim for not Pedro but saying that again the question is would LVG reign in the natural ability of bale type players too.

13 Aug 2015 03:24:30
Massive hopes for him but till he comes of bench with 30 min left and turn it to 4 nil x

13 Aug 2015 06:27:58
Jred

Yes, goals in the Dutch league do count but it is now the big league and you place all your faith in a 21 yr old unproven at this level. He is a good player, so, with him and what we have it may bring us top four. Not bad but our clubs ambitions should be more than that unless we have caught the 1990 Liverpool bug.

13 Aug 2015 08:30:45
I should add that reading on here there is often an over rating of how good our players really are and this usually continues until the season ends when the reality of how good the players are is confirmed. Memphis may develop , Rooney may score goals but my opinion is that will not go near winning the league or CL with what we have because the opposition have better talent, particularly up front.

13 Aug 2015 09:03:54
redman
i would say there is often an under rating of how good our players are and an overvrating of how good others are.

its fergys " cows in fields "

kagawa was a worldclass player until we bought him.
mata was chelsea best player until we bought him.

we have just bought a fantastic young player for 30 mil but its quite clear he is not a big enough name. is that what's happened to some of our fans

unless we buy a superstars for 50 million it seems we can't win the league, or the player isn't good enough.

but when has that ever worked for us , we have built the club on youth and proven EPL talent.
we are close to 300 mil spend in 12 month but for some fans its not enough.
we have bought some top players , but for some fans its not enough.

unless we have a superstar in every position some won't be happy .

its looks like we will get pedro and otamendi which would give us
a front 3 of pedro rooney depay.
a cm of herrera, schniederlin, and schwein.
a back 4 of shaw, ot, small, darm.
and then look at the bench.

thats the strongest team we have had in years, its a better team than fergy won the league (by 11 points ) with.

yet for some its still not enough, you talk about us being like liverpool.

a good manager will do well with that team and squad

13 Aug 2015 09:44:29
Jred

"kagawa was a worldclass player until we bought him"
SAF bought the wrong type of player, it was not a Kagawa we needed and as I said at the time unless we changed our style he wouldn't fit and he didn't. It was a strange purchase and I did say that at the time
"Mata was chelsea best player until we bought him"
Again at the time I questioned whether we bought the player needed, lacked pace and was not the central midfield strength we needed and fortunately have now added

It isn't about fancy names but game changers and the ones that make the difference in tight games as for example Hazard did against us last season. LVG has noted it and commented on creativity and pace. Those top players keep picking up the big trophies and if we don't have those game changers of the top level we are far less likely to be winners.

13 Aug 2015 10:11:16
I should add SAF won the league (11 points)the last time by adding the goal power of RVP and that was acknowledged as the difference.

13 Aug 2015 10:12:16
redman
how much of depay have you seen?
lvg has noted we need a creative player and spent 31 mill on him
but it would seem he is not good enough for you .

60 mill was spent on the superstar di maria .
12 mill on darmian , i know who looks the better player.

getting to 300 mil spent in 12 month but its not enough , why.
because we haven't bought your favourite player.

like i said look at the team i posted above , that's a strong team the best we have had in a long time , stronger than our last title winning team .
but you won't be happy until we buy the player you want.

you slated moyes but the team he had was a shadow of the current one .
lvg has had 12 month ,he has had close to 300 mill its time to deliver.

13 Aug 2015 10:21:10
So who would you buy redman?

13 Aug 2015 10:54:14
Jred - perfect summation for me mate.

13 Aug 2015 11:15:10
An interesting thread and I agree with points on both sides.

To argue jred, perhaps its not so much to do with flashy names or price tag and more to do with his age and development? I don't expect to see Depay hit great heights for at least 18 months (similar to hazard's progression) but some may feel we need a fast, creative player to hit the ground running THIS season.I also don't want too much pressure put on him too early, we shouldn't be relying heavily on a 21 yr old with no Epl experience.

I do agree with you though that the team you write on paper does look strong. It might be the case that if those players were more established at the club that we would worry less about the impact these players can have over the course of this season?

I have to say if we end up with Pedro and Ot I would be happy to go with that. Some people think we need top quality in every position and try to imagine the perfect 11 in their heads but not many teams have a worldy in every position.

13 Aug 2015 11:39:45
beast
cheers dude.
HB
fully agree pal

13 Aug 2015 12:36:40
Jred that was a really good post mate. Right on the money.

13 Aug 2015 12:38:13
Jred

I don't have a favourite player but I can see the weakness in our team and I can see players of a standard who could take the team up a level and express an opinion about who that is. I also look at the strength of our opposition in the areas of our weakness and whilst our midfield is stronger than before there are weaknesses at the back and up front that makes it unlikely that we can sustain a title challenge.

I was rightly critical of the previous encumbent and he got rightly sacked. LVG has generally made quick decisive actions unlike he who should not be named and I agree with them. I don't see the team building as being finished nor do I care about the cost, I care about winning and to do that we need the right level players which we are short of in several positions. We struggled with goals last season , ship out two strikers, one who won the league with his goals previously and bring in a talented young man but add massive pressure on him to deliver alongside a player who has been in decline.

Your post seems more like setting up LVG for the sack with the he has everything we need comments , however he doesn't.

Strebor
Bale, Muller, Lewandowski level and Ramos yet Stones may have it at the back

13 Aug 2015 13:18:22
redman
you sound like a kid playing fifa.
why not messi ?

13 Aug 2015 13:35:23
Jred

Bit old for Fifa

Sadly my age means I heard your argument repeated for nearly 26 years

13 Aug 2015 13:58:58
redman
what that after spending 300 mill in 12 month i think we have a strong squad .
that we can't buy every superstar out there .
that argument .
you want to buy muller - there is no way munich will let him go .
you want to buy lewandowski - i don't see munich letting him go ,
you want ramos - he is stopping at madrid
you want bale - he is stopping at madrid







 

 

 
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