11 Aug 2015 21:45:03
Pedro at £22 million or just under would be a very good deal. He would definitely add another dimension to our side. Hopefully we could get a deal done. Revert to a 433 formation and use the wings more.
ED001 what are your thoughts on Pedro and whether or not you think he would be a good signing, as you give a balanced view
{Ed001's Note - I think he would be better than either Young or Mata out wide, but that is as far as it goes. He is another Di Maria, a headless chicken who does a lot of aimless running about and lacks the intelligence to know when and where to run. He couldn't hold down a place before Neymar Jr arrived, even when the option bought to play in that position, Afellay, was out injured constantly. He is not a Bojan, who was directly competing for the Messi role, he was simply not good enough to provide any more than an injection of pace at the end of games. If he had not come through the ranks there, he would have been long gone, as not one manager saw him as any more than a surplus player, for good reason. He is an impact sub, nothing more. Even then, it will only be sometimes that he provides a good impact. If he had left Barca 5 years or so ago, he might have developed into a good player, but right now he is just thought as good because he is at Barca, in the same way Di Maria must have been great because he was at Real Madrid.
He will have a flurry of good games, everyone will get excited and then he will be worked out by opponents and he simply does not have the intelligence or ability to deal with it. If it was me, I would say United should steer well clear, he is a midtable Prem player, at best. For me, if you are aiming to build a side to win the title, then look elsewhere. If you want a top four place, then he will probably do.}
12 Aug 2015 06:08:38
A lot of nonsense, Ed. Pedro is far better player than you're saying he is. Look at the amount and quality of games he played for Barca since 2009. And he DID hold a regular place before Neymar high-price transfer was done. Even if he ends up at another club, not United, he'll be a very very good buy and at £22m will be a bargain.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but you are giving an opinion, not talking facts, he has never been a regular starter and so please do not try and argue with that. As for quality of games, he has almost always done nothing when he started a game and been widely criticised for it. In 2009/10, he played 90 minutes just 15 times in total, in 59 games. 18 times in 2010/11 (well one 120 minutes including extra time), in well over 50 games again. Just 12 times in 2011/12, again in over 50 matches. I got bored then, but I think my point is made, you are wrong, he is an impact sub in the main or taken off when he starts after playing crap. He is not worth 22m, he is a very average player who just happens to be quick, which he will lose in a few years and lose his usefulness as an impact sub.}
12 Aug 2015 06:27:17
Ed001
Thank you , that is a better explanation than I have added and more detail yet is pretty much my thoughts as well. I said on here he is not the answer and if we buy him we would still need a top striker. Probably our Navas if we indeed buy him.
{Ed001's Note - useful if you had the team built and just needed cover, but you aren't there yet.}
12 Aug 2015 07:39:12
ED001 - you have hit the nail on the head for me mate. Pedro is a decent player but that's as far is it goes. He isn't WC and never will be. You are right that he is a player capable of helping a team get top four but he is not a player capable of taking games by the scruff of the neck and winning them by himself.
I have always liked him as he does try hard and has been a loyal servant to his club but I think he is overhyped because he is a Barca player. Is Pedro going to take United to another level like Silva has done for City, Hazard for Chelsea or Alexis for Arsenal? I don't think so. We should be aiming for better in my opinion.
12 Aug 2015 07:40:32
Since 2009/2010 season Pedro's lowest amount of appearances (in all comps) is 45 in a season. But who am I? I bet Firmino is a quality buy tho isn't he? Don't worry I'm sure it's your year again
{Ed001's Note - what the hell has Firmino got to do with anything? What an imbecilic comment, typical of the kind of stupidity that is why Ed002 doesn't want to bother with this site, because tits like you can't just take a post at face value. You have to be an arse and try and make it something it is not. It is idiots like you that just make the internet hard work. You could have made a point and left it at that, but instead you choose to be a complete tit. Don't bother replying to me again, I have no interest in talking to imbeciles like you.}
12 Aug 2015 07:40:52
Ed , you say he's just a mid table prem player at best . How many mid table prem players would have made even one appearance for the Barca side of the last seven or eight years not to mention the Spanish side of the same period ?
{Ed001's Note - in the manner he has? Plenty if they had happened to come through the Barca youth system. That is why he is there and getting games. It is better to compare it to the likes of Cleverley, who kept getting appearances even though he clearly wasn't good enough, purely because he came through the youth teams.}
12 Aug 2015 07:42:07
My thoughts too. I've always thought he's a decent player but he's not the best out there. I would rather buy greizman or Reus any day.
And he's come out and said he doesn't want to leave so hope we stay clear.
12 Aug 2015 07:43:28
Fully agree Ed. Juice ain't worth the squeeze! I have always thought he was an average winger with an overhyped reputation based on barca and being Spanish.
Looking at our staring 11 it's obvious we need to add a top class attacker, not more squad level players. We have that in our youth and young. Pedro isn't the answer to our "creativity" problem and won't significantly impact our goal production. Almost seems to me as a buy for the sake of buying type of signing. Hope that whoever mentioned city are sniffing around for him are correct!
12 Aug 2015 07:44:38
I don't really know a great deal about pedro so ed001 is clearly more clued up about him than I am so who am I to argue but the one thing he does add is goals which has got to be a big plus point albeit he's got to be able to do it in the prem.
{Ed001's Note - I agree he can add goals, as an impact sub in particular, but will he add anything like as many without the space created by Iniesta and Messi etc? I don't think he will, as he will actually be targeted by defenders in England, rather than being the player they leave as they are busy swarming Messi etc.}
12 Aug 2015 07:50:08
Cheers ED001 insightful as ever
12 Aug 2015 07:51:10
He isn't your tier 1 winger - Reus,Bale, Hazard etc but he's the next rung down in my view. As good as most of the wingers in this league. Obviously has inflated stats due to playing in that team but I wouldn't say he's the headless chicken running about like Di Maria. If you watch Barca he's very good at sticking to the role given to him which will suit LVG nicely.
12 Aug 2015 08:45:33
Comments like that are why people stop posting, u can call people all u want but someone says something back n u see your arse, typical spoilt brat, *rest of abuse removed*
{Ed001's Note - no, it is because bells like you try and belittle our opinion based on what team we support and think that is the basis of a discussion. Rather than making a point and leaving it at that. Now run along child and don't worry, no one will miss you, or your knuckles dragging.}
12 Aug 2015 08:54:11
Ed , you think Cleverley would have won over 50 caps for Spain at a time when they were the best international team in the world . How many other promising young players have come through the ranks at Barca and never played anything like the games Pedro has .
Plus the fact that Cleverley got so many games for United said more about the quality of our midfield than anything else
{Ed001's Note - he won international caps for England did he not? And where they based on his ability or the team he played for? Now if he had happened to be, say for instance, Wayne Rooney's best mate, as Pedro is with Xavi and Iniesta, would he have not carried on getting games? Plus the fact he does what Messi says without question helps keep him at the club. Oh and the fact he is not on the huge wages and doesn't have to be bought at a fee, with Barca always strapped for cash due to the big transfers they keep making, it all adds up to a good reason to keep him. Barca do not have the largest squad either, so they do not have a huge amount of options, other than Pedro, to bring off the bench.}
12 Aug 2015 09:07:50
Ed
I agree he is not wc but don't you think that among the players available he'll be one that will suit lvg's style of play. Especially compared to adm. The only thing i disagree with is that i think he's very intelligent.
{Ed001's Note - one of his former coaches once compared him, to me, to a young child overhyped on sweets (he named a Spanish sweet but I forget what it was). He basically said that was the problem, he just wasn't capable of settling down and thinking about his runs and timing them. He would just run around, a lot, with little thought involved. So I am clearly not the only one who thinks he has a problem with that.}
12 Aug 2015 09:24:59
Good point Red Rosie. In this Man Utd side and the way Van Gaal wants his players to play he will do very nicely. I thought Ed001's assessment a tad bit harsh on Pedro.
12 Aug 2015 09:38:20
I think everyone is giving an opinion here, Ed, don't think you are something more than other writers, or am I wrong ? I'd like to know where you got those numbers for Pedro's career, because my numbers are completely different.
{Ed001's Note - so why did you call mine nonsense then? If it was just everyone giving an opinion, why did you feel the need to insult rather than just disagree? And I got those numbers directly from Barcelona, his competitive numbers for full games played and double checked with a couple of stats sites. Unless I miscounted, those were his full games each season. He played a large number of other games, but was usually hooked off when he started or used from the bench, when he made the squad.}
12 Aug 2015 09:51:49
Ha . I knew the Cleverley won caps for England was on the way , a dog with a hammer up his hole could win caps for England
{Ed001's Note - I know that, but I was just pointing out that sometimes a player can get caps he doesn't deserve based on who he plays for and with. Pedro is a far better player than Cleverley, that is definite. Is he good enough for United is the real question, and I am not sure he is, though he is an improvement on what is there right now.}
12 Aug 2015 09:54:46
When he turns us down as goes to city and we end up with gaitan use will all be giving woody abuse for not getting the deal done .
12 Aug 2015 10:08:37
I didn't mean to inslut and I didn't see you refer to full 90 mins. And not playing full 90mins. every time doesn't mean you are a bad player. I'm pretty sure many good players get substitute many times. And J.Barton playing full 90 mins. every game doesn't mean he is a top player. We can argue all day long, but you can mail me to talk about Pedro when the season is done if he joins Man United to see who was right.
{Ed001's Note - I know it doesn't necessarily mean it means you are crap, I was just saying it is a concern. I am sure you will point it out if I am wrong at the end of the season, though I wouldn't write him off after one, even if his first season is poor, unless he moves on afterwards.}
12 Aug 2015 10:37:26
i think he is a decent player who will add pace and 22mill is about right.
players roles seem quite restricted to me , so someone like pedro may do well under lvg where he has a simple job to do .
much in the same way young has done well.
12 Aug 2015 11:20:07
Thanks for all your reasoned input Ed001 - much appreciated.
However, while he may not be a Reus or Hazard, I think he'll fit nicely into LvG's system of two attacking wing-forwards supplying a central striker. He'll also be protected by two excellent full backs so might often be two against one on each wing.
After reading this thread, Just goes to show what a waste of money Di Maria was though!
12 Aug 2015 11:31:11
ED001 you killed all my excitement towards signing Pedro mate.
{Ed001's Note - I could be wrong mate, until they move it is only educated guesswork really. At the end of the day, even if he was just an impact sub, those can make the difference and be heroes, just ask Ole.}