27 Jul 2015 09:24:24
I know I'm going to get shot down for these comments but in my opinion we as a club are not the club we used to be and can no longer attract these big marquee signings/players.
ADM he only came as we realistically were his only option not because he wanted to play for our club.
Falcao a late panic signing and again with his wages why wouldn't he sign .
Now likes of recent signings schweinstger scherndlin darmain Romero are they any of the marquee signings we used to be able to sign. ?? My answer to that is no. Not that they are bad signings but not the big names that we are usually associated with or we require. For many seasons now big name players have refused to sign for our club opting for other teams . why is what I want to know ?? Yes there are other competitors now like chelsea n city etc but we very rarely get a marquee signing which we are reportedly after each transfer window . Instead we get players like Herrea ,Fellaini, etc . Even Mata signing was because he didn't have another club interested at the time .When you look at all the big names that have opted against joining our club over the last few years surely we must start thinking why. Buying Pedro will be another good signing for us if he arrives but isn't it rather a case of he's signing for us as nobody else really interested in him . ? I'm sorry to say but if chelsea or city were realistically in for him they'd of paid the money and had him in the squad already . Pedro would prefer to sign for likes of them clubs before ours and that never ever used to be the way . We as a club now struggle to attract the big names of football .
27 Jul 2015 09:39:41
Torqs, before these dark times started, which was our last marquee signing? Even under sir alex.
27 Jul 2015 09:41:40
I can't tell if you're fishing or not but i'll bite.
This has to be the dumbest think I've read all day, granted it is only 9:30.
Mata was the best playmaker in the league when we signed him. Bastian Schweinstiger is possibly the biggest Midfield name in the world. I just confused how you say those aren't big signings?
27 Jul 2015 09:45:41
Yeh because evra , vidic, Carrick , Ronaldo , de Gea, just to name a few were "big names" when we signed them? Look how that turned out. Depay just said he had offers from basically every club in europe, bayerns etc and chose us. One of the most sought after talents in Europe. There will always be the crop of foreign stars who would rather go to barca or Madrid over us purely for the lifestyle. Training in a wet carrington ten months of the year or sunny madrid, which would you choose ? To say we can't attract big names is laughable
27 Jul 2015 09:48:51
I honestly don't think we have been a club that brings in the huge galacticos names previously.
Mata from the PL and Schweinsteiger (end of career) are great additions.
We are renowned for breeding young or homegrown players whilst having experienced players around them. I see no different this year
27 Jul 2015 09:48:57
We have never been a club that sign "Marquee" players. We have never signed a "Galactico" I am thinking Rooney and perhaps Veron are only big names.
We sign players who were big or big and ending there careers, Barthez, Blanc, Van Persie etc.
We tend to make the players and then sell them. Ronaldo, Beckham, Stam etc.
Marquee in my opinion is the Elite level player, Ronaldo, Bale, Messi and the like. Di Maria would have fit that bill and Falcao but look how that turned out.
Real Madrid's business model is dependant on signing a galactico per season, but look at what they have won in that time. Even going back to Ronaldo, Figo, Zidane times. They won very little. So Marquee players don't guarantee success but they guarantee a big outlay in money.
27 Jul 2015 09:50:06
Jesus H fella you are never going to get away with posting anything close to the truth like that.
Like I said yesterday, where are the players like Kroos, Fabregas, Thiago, Bale, Lewandowski and every other top drawer player you've wanted over the last 2 seasons.
Harry, Mata was not good enough to help us win the league but miraculously at £37 million he's good enough for you and if my options where to buy a player seen as surplus to requirements at Bayern or the talent that is Arturo Vidal I and Bayern know who we would be choosing.
27 Jul 2015 09:59:17
Torqs,
There are so many things wrong with that post I am unsure if you are on a wind up. United have never really been known for marquee signings, and quite often when we make them they flop anyway, Veron anyone?
Our better players over the years are ones we have signed from lower teams who are so excited to play for United every week they work their backsides off to become top top players, like the posts above said, evra, vidic, ronaldo, de gea, they all wanted to play for us and worked hard, before that Schmeichel, Solskjaer, even Kanchelskis, Blomqvist, not world stars before they signed for us but household names afterwards.
You know who our best consistent player has been for the last 5 years, Michael Carrick, you know where we signed him from? Tottenham, he was one of the best midfielders in the league at a team around 6th / 7th. You know who I think will be our most consistent player for the next 5 years, Morgan Schneiderlin, signed as one of the best midfielders in the league from a team around 6th / 7th.
Darmian comes with no baggage, most people haven't heard of him, but he played for Italy at the World Cup, he could turn out to be one of our best signings in years, I love when the scouts pick a gem from nowhere, that is better than going throwing £60 million at a 'marquee player' and it is how we have pretty much done business since I have watched United. The odd 'marquee player' but mainly young players who become stars at Old Trafford because that is what they want to become and work hard to make it the case.
And as for Schweinsteiger not being a marquee signing, he is the captain of the winners of the World Cup, I don't know how much more marquee you are looking at?
27 Jul 2015 10:00:19
Well said Harry and Stand-United! Torqs post could as well have read "bla bla bla bla bla bla bla" No offense mate.
27 Jul 2015 10:01:58
Marquee signing - i always classed this as a player who everybody wants to sign and who has won trophies .players like Depay Rooney Di Maria RVP and even Keane Ferdinand and Robson are such players who fit into this bracket.We have a history of missing out on marquee players as well Hazard Ronaldinhio and Yaya to name a few .Man Utd will always be in for Marquee players if it ticks the boxes
27 Jul 2015 10:11:01
Should've stopped reading at "I may get shot down for this", we can sign anyone in the world bar Messi imo.
27 Jul 2015 10:13:13
Marcellus still creepily going back through everyone's posts cutting and pasting to give yourself that sweet sweet pleasure you crave you weirdo?
27 Jul 2015 10:15:07
Do you guys not consider RVP a marquee signing? He was certainly a big name and the best striker in the prem at the time. Paid a fair whack for him too.
27 Jul 2015 10:29:28
Redrosie,
I'm the weirdo but spookily you are the one wearing the gimp mask.
Work that out?
27 Jul 2015 10:44:56
Marcellus, u really are laughable. I don't know whether to get drawn in to a debate with u as it would be like arguing with a dog. U simply would not know u were losing.
Mata was voted player of the season 2 years running at Chelsea prior to the season he signed for the premier leagues most decorated team.
Have u forgotten that a lot of the ridiculous world football wage bills were in fact started by Chelsea?. Deep into negotiations with Robben, Essien, even Hazard for example. Chelsea would not even negotiate, they would just say 'we'll give u 10k more a week than united'. Everyone united wanted to sign, Chelsea would slither in around and steal. Mikel was beautiful karma tho, how much did u pay us for a player thst never actually played for us?? Lol.
Although I concede it worked for u. For now.
I'm just looking forward to when Roman can't be bothered with his toy anymore. I wonder how would u cope if u had to be a legitimate business?.
Anyway, back to my fellow esteemed united supporters. I am in complete agreement with Stand-united. I'm loving the bromance between Depay and Shaw, that's going to blossom some chemistry down the left!!! And it's clear Depay is going to be a big hit.
Unfortunately picking up from Brad76 post, I worry about the youth. Did anyone read that link that Ozwald (I think) put up a month or so ago about Man city's youth set up etc. It left me speechless. United must have something up their sleeve!!
27 Jul 2015 11:23:32
Patzi,
What are you 7yrs old or close too, look at you all desperately trying to prove how big you are. GDS2 should change his name to Shergar he's so blinkered.
You tell me why you are not signing Neuer, Lewandowski and Vidal when you brag about the biggest club with the most money.
Don't hide behind the usual pointless hog wash. You so far stuck in the past you can't see what's going on in the here and now and if you had a clue about Abramovich you'd have a vague idea of what he is doing.
Your noisy neighbours should be giving you a clue.
27 Jul 2015 12:11:58
just a quick question Marcellus who did u support before the Russian bought your club.
27 Jul 2015 12:12:20
Wallace the thing is that you will not acknowledge any player as a good signing if we were to sign him. I'll just give you an example, this would be your reaction:
If Pedro joins you then he's a marquee signing and amongst the best in he world and that too for such a low price.
If Pedro joins United, then he is just an average player who cost United too much.
If Pedro joins Liverpool. Well then everyone thinks he is utter shite.
27 Jul 2015 12:22:46
My picture could be wearing a full on gimpsuit complete with whip and chains and you'd still be the weirdest creep in this conversation.
27 Jul 2015 13:13:22
Marcellus, you are loving our page at the moment. And i would like to welcome you.
Mata was your player of the season, 2 years running. Just thought i'd remind you, so you don't accidentally fall into the mass of other fickle Chelsea fans. So if you would like to take back the 'Mata was not good enough to help us win the league' then i will let you off, but just this once though Mr.
All entitled to our opinions mate, and if you think that Chelsea will storm this season, then good on you. Personally i think you guys will win it too.
27 Jul 2015 13:31:12
Marcelleus, remind me did you buy Kroos, Thiago, Bale, Lewandowski? I don't see anyone on here saying that we have a right to win the league every year (though just in case you had forgotten, we have won it 20 times). So I don't know why you're getting your blue knickers in a twist.
Whether you like it or not, we are one of the top 3 clubs in world football when it comes to size and stature, we generate a lot of profit and we use that to do whatever we want. Now, we know that JM was crying when he was not given the United job, but making silly remarks about us buying success when your own Ambramovich has spent over a billion is a stupid remark and is not going to wash with anyone with one brain cell. There again, JM said it to the Chelsea supporters and maybe between them they don't have the one brain cell.
Success comes and goes, every club has a transition, Liverpool are a great club and they have had a very long period without real success, but that does not mean you can demean them.
I know it might not be the done thing at a club like Chelsea who have bought recent success, but traditions DO mean something, and at United, we know all about our traditions. Deal with it!!