19 Jun 2015 13:41:21
I am getting bored of hearing about De Gea but I am going to throw out my opinion on his replacements.
Starting with Valdes as he is already at the club. For me he is our bargaining chip if we do want to sign a new keeper. It allows us to not look desperate and say we don't really need another player we just want one. I would be happy to give him a shot as our number one with Johnstone as backup.
Lloris is a good keeper but I think many get carried away putting him in the De Gea bracket. The only keepers in that bracket at the moment are Neuer and Courtois. I may sound naive but for me I have seen Lloris concede 5/6 goals a game one too many times and I know part of that is due to Spurs as a team but you get the point.
Bergovic, I am not sure with him. He is a solid and steady keeper who I am sure could do a job, he doesn't make too many mistakes and he is good at collecting the ball but I don't think he is the most agile and his style is very different to De Gea's. I think he would be a better signing that Lloris saying that.
Cech, undoubtedly he is a great keeper, could defiantly do a great job for us and is reliable. He would be cheap and should have a couple of years left at the top of his game though I do think he is a way off from where he was. One of the better keepers I have ever seen.
Oblak, He is a keeper who could improve massively and I have seen him make some wonderful saves and he has had some impressive performances but he has also had a couple of shaky ones and I don't think we can take the risk.
These 5 keepers are the ones I could see us having as number one next season or maybe we will sign the young guy from Holland who I won't try to spell and have him as Valdez's understudy. My choice in order would be:
Keep De Gea for a year
Valdes
Cech
Bergovic
Lloris
The guy from Holland.
Oblak
Depending on the CB we bring in could make a difference to the keeper we sign. If we stick with young CB's then they would need an experienced keeper behind them who will guide them (Cech) but If we get an experienced CB then we may be able to gamble a little on Lloris down.
Feel free to chip away at it.
19 Jun 2015 13:57:38
if it wasn't for Lloris spurs would be midtable and this is coming from a spurs fan. He is loved by everyone at the lane because he is so good and he is one of the best goalkeepers around. Neuer is the best then Lloris DDG and Courtois
19 Jun 2015 14:08:38
Boddey, I know he is highly rated but I think Spurs should be a mid table club at the moment, you have Kane and Lloris and that is it in my eyes. He isn't as good as De Gea though.
19 Jun 2015 14:10:57
i don't think we will buy a keeper, and if i'm honest i don't think we need to replace dea gea we have valdes.
many people feel he was branded a good keeper because he was in an awesome team, but when called upon he made some great saves.
the last game of the season proves he has still got the reactions becuase he pulled off some top saves for us in that match,
he's very experienced has won a lot of trophies and is very vocal and apparently he is great in the dressing room, that to me sounds like someone who is a natural leader and the players must look up and admire him.
he's only 33 still has at least 5 years at the top level if he stays in physical shape, van der sar was bought at 34 and he went on to play another 6 years for us.
i personally would see how valdes does use the money we're going to get from the dea gea sale and strengthen other areas.
then look at getting another keeper if our 2nd/3rd keeper are not progressing.
but that's just my thoughts on the keeper situation.
19 Jun 2015 14:15:53
in my opinion Lloris is on par with him. both unbelievable shot stoppers. I just hope van gall thinks like you and we spurs fans have more years of enjoyment from the French number 1. Jack Butland might be worth looking at, give valdes one or two seasons then put Butland in, looks really good prospect.
19 Jun 2015 14:16:49
1Redarmy, good post. Personally I think Valdes should be our No.1 next season. Cech imo is the only keeper available who is significantly better than him. But I have doubts how long Cech can maintain that level, imo he is already not as goo as he was a couple of years ago, how much more will he drop off in the next couple of years. Hardly playing this season probably hasn't helped him much either. For me I would look to bring in one of Oblak or Leno and give them all the cup games and Valdes all the league games. Then reassess the situation at the end of next season and see how the new guy has developed.
Boddey, Lloris is a very good keeper but he is the next step down from the likes of Neuer, Courtois and De Gea. There is nothing wrong with that but he is not in that bracket yet.
19 Jun 2015 14:23:39
I still don't think we'll sign a De Gea replacement. I think we will sign a keeper like Krul or Handanovic but cannot see either of them being put in ahead of Valdes. If we were to go for a replacement, Cech or Leno would be my picks.
We've all discussed our defensive frailties over the last couple of years and I think this is one of the main reasons De Gea is getting the plaudits he is. Our defence has been terrible which has meant he's had to make saves that defy gravity at times. The one against Everton in the last minute was ridiculous.
If Valdes was no 1 next season with a more solid defence and midfield we wouldn't need De Gea like heroics every week to win games. Valdes has played at the very top level for many years and while Barca have had 70-80% possession in most of those games and he hasn't had much to do, he has made big saves in big games before. He's also very good with his feet so distribution wise he could do as good a job as De Gea.
19 Jun 2015 14:23:53
Bit harsh on Eriksen 1redarmy. I think he is one of, if not the best, playmaker in the league.
19 Jun 2015 15:37:51
I think eriken makes the rest of spurs players look better than they are.
19 Jun 2015 15:52:40
As an ex-goalie, Lloris for me is a good shot-stopper, but lightweight in other areas. I watched him for years in France, and thought he was very good, and at one point hoped we would make a bid for him, but the hurly-burly of the premiership has shown him up a little bit, IMO.
Loved watching Cech over the years, but I've seen the little positional mistakes creeping in over the last few seasons, and it's obvious Jose has as well.
Oblak, I'll admit, I haven't seen enough of to pass judgement.
Begovic is solid and unspectacular, but there's probably a reason why he hasn't moved past Stoke up til now.
Valdez, I don't rate that highly - I could have done nets for those recent Barca teams, and looked pretty good. Don't think he's a premiership-type goalie. I'm old-fashioned. I like my keepers 6ft plus, built like tanks, and preferably Northern or Eastern European - guys who come for crosses, knocking 5 opposition players out of the way, and catch the ball, rather than this punching nonsense, which more often than not ends up with them flailing desperately and getting a weak finger on the ball.
Until he came to England, I'd have picked Lloris as a replacement, but now, I'd take Cech for the short-term, as even with a decline in his standards, he's still head and shoulders above most of them out there. Premiership experience, and a good grasp of the language are bonuses. Still got a couple of years at that level, and would allow us to properly assess Oblak as he develops.
A top goalie is essential in any team with pretensions of winning the league - I don't think you can get away with 'making do' for a season.
19 Jun 2015 15:54:13
JMB, sorry I forgot about him he is a very good player. I do think he had more than a few quiet games coming to the end of the season though, maybe that is why I forgot him.
19 Jun 2015 15:56:04
nonsense Erikson has 1 good game in 5. there is a reason he ended up at spurs, attitude problems also. I agree that when he has his 1 good game in 5 he looks good but those are usually games that are against lower opposition. Erikson defo flatters to decieve
19 Jun 2015 17:10:20
Noucamp99,
In reference to the Begovic quip, is there a reason van Der Sar was at Fulham until we signed him?
19 Jun 2015 17:38:10
Money, mbd.
19 Jun 2015 19:46:52
Completely agree with Stevie's assessment. Chech is by far the best option this summer. Lloris is a very good keeper, but not worth what he'd cost. Not sure where the Oblak link has come from other than he's young and plays for Athletico. Begovic isn't anywhere the standard. And Valdes will be annihilated in the EPL, targeted by crosses like De Gea was in his first few seasons except he's far too small to overcome it. His only start for us showed us what to expect, excellent shot stopping coupled with appalling command of the area.
Check will have another 3-5 seasons at the top, and we have brought in some very promising young keepers in the last two seasons who could potentially step up when he leaves.
19 Jun 2015 23:24:42
Maybe van gaal was fully in the know that de gea was leaving this summer and signed valdes knowing his quality and believing he would fill the sticks for a good few years, personally I think keepers get better with age just like van der sar. Food for thought
20 Jun 2015 07:07:18
Great posts on this thread; I'm glad we're talking goalkeepers.
My view is Valdes will be our no 1 next season and I'm alright with that.
Just checking out wpedia about him "appeared in more than 500 official games for his club and won 21 major titles, notably six La Liga titles and three UEFA Champions League championships."
That's not too shoddy and it would be advantageous not to have to buy another keeper when we have many other purchases to contend with
20 Jun 2015 13:21:20
Super post Andrew B we should be concentrating on other areas this year unless we can get Petr cech.
20 Jun 2015 16:06:27
Redtash, don't think madrid would be after de gea if keepers were to get better with age.
20 Jun 2015 21:46:06
Y not? because that'd mean he will only get better wouldn't it? De gea is absolutely world class at 24. In 8 yrs he'll be one of best of all time imo
21 Jun 2015 05:33:50
Redtash i was talking about Cassilas mate. Think he is of same age as valdes. Van der sar was a exception so to speak. However i think vds was a keeper who maintained his form very well rather than improve. and also he played behind vidic rio and evra.
21 Jun 2015 12:24:39
Thanks Singh. Valdes is 33 and in the two games he played we saw his reactions are still half decent. Even if we get two good years out of him it gives us time to sort out other areas of the pitch.
His experience will also help settle a reshaped defence which is likely to remain fairly young.
The concerns about his physicality are valid but six foot isn't small and he is fairly well built. Half of the battle to command his area is mental so it's a question of whether he can take and give out the knocks.
If we were discussing an outfield player with similar talent and experience we wouldn't be talking about a replacement for them.
21 Jun 2015 16:28:24
I think jack butland would be a good buy? In a few years he will be England's no. 1? We just need someone to fill in before he becomes a worldy!
21 Jun 2015 16:31:26
Just get in the Uruguayan guy from Gala in Turkey?