16 Jun 2015 08:39:55
So talk over the last couple of days, in the media, has been that Real are going to come in with a bid of around £13m for DeGea, and don't seem to mind if it is a drawn out process. Now, IF that is accurate and we are willing to sell, we need to be strong for once and set a deadline for the deal to be done, if not he stays the season. We can't be having it drag on and on as we have a CL qualifier etc to prepare for. If they want to mess about with a pathetic offer, then it is up to our boys to get tough.
Do any of the eds have any idea on what is happening, and if the media talk is correct on such a pathetic offer?
Cheers chaps and chapesses.
16 Jun 2015 09:46:09
Absolutely right.
We need to tell them our (reasonable) price and tell them and DDG a date until which the offer stands. If they can't complete the signing then DDG stays.
16 Jun 2015 09:48:25
Not saying we should accept that type of derisory offer Brendan but at the end of the day mate he will be going whether that figure be £13million or on a free next season. It's all well and good to say we should stick to our guns but a loss of whatever De Gea could potentially sell for is still a loss regardless of the amount.
He won't renew, if he was going to he would have done so by now. Do we really want to keep a player who doesn't want to be here? If he stays will he still have the professionalism to play with 100 percent commitment for a club who blocked his move back to his native family home? I hope so but you can't be 100 percent certain.
At the end of the day mate De Gea owes United a big sweet nothing. He has done his job well and both parties have reaped the rewards for that being the case. Do I want £13million for him? No I would want more. But do I want to let him go on a free and risk an unhappy player in the squad for the season we should be competing for a title? Hell no. Be it large or small we should get some cash for him and that's where our men dealing with the negotiations should be earning their stripes.
16 Jun 2015 09:56:15
Real Madrid don't see all players as being equally as important. Goalkeepers and defenders aren't thought of in the same way as strikers and attack minded players. As such they won't pay as much for them. Perez has a idea that every summer Real Madrid need to sign a superstar to create a buzz around the club and to push the marketing and off field revenues.
I have no doubt that Real Madrid will want to sign De Gea this summer but they won't want to spend a lot of money on him as they will want to spend there money on a more commercial player such as Pogba or Aguero or someone like that.
We won't get 35m for DDG from Madrid, the most I expect we will be able to get would be 25m and that's likely to be more like 18m with 7m in add ons. Real Madrid just won't pay it. They would just keep Casillas and Navas for another year and sign DDG on a free next summer.
The fact remains that De Gea will end up in Madrid either this summer or next, so de we do what Dortmund did with Lewandowski and cut our noses off to spite our face or do we make a deal.
Personally keeping DDG here when he doesn't want to be will just spoil what has been a good career with us and leave us with a sour taste in the mouth. Dortmund took a strong stance with Lewandowski but look at how its changed now with Gundogan. Maybe they've learned something from that experience.
As much as I would like to go f**k them and make him stay, it is not in the short term or long term interests of the club for us to do that. If DDG want's to leave then we should wish him well and sell, then we can move on and start building for the future.
{Ed001's Note - you forget, they pay more for Spanish players, as that increases their marketing value.}
16 Jun 2015 10:08:52
If we only get 13m then keep him for another season. He has won us many points this season and if we gel as a team and get quality significant game having him may be the difference between winning or losing a trophy. Secondly it may mean Madrid sign another keeper instead because frankly Casillas is past his peak. Third De Gea won't lose out as he is still young and would get a very nice signing on fee for whoever he signs next year. Lastly he may decide to stay with us next year if he sees big improvements to our performances.
16 Jun 2015 10:04:37
You took the words right outa my mouth Ed001.
16 Jun 2015 10:36:21
I understand the lure of Spain and his home city but for somebody who I always thought a decent lad he had left us in the shit. The club stood behind him throughout the tough and torrid times and he repays us by allowing his contract to dwindle down to a year knowing that we will sell this summer. For everything we have done to develop him to the player he is today, I'd expect more respect from the lad to be honest but then again there is no respect or loyalty left in football.
Sell him is the only option.
16 Jun 2015 11:05:25
Another point of view would be to look at the bigger picture. A very cheap sale would make us look weak. Then some spanish club would want mata for 20m or januzaj for 10m. We should simply tell ddg that we have set a price for you and have no intention of blocking your move if madrid pay that price.
16 Jun 2015 11:08:12
I think you're also forgetting Shappy that they haven't had to buy a first choice keeper since the 90s. De Gea is hugely important for them because he's replacing their club captain and first choice keeper for a decade and a half. Plus I seem to remember that Perez paid a huge amount for Ramos.
If De Gea wants to leave that's fine, but if Madrid think they can steamroll us into taking a miserly offer then f**k them and let De Gea rot on the bench for a year. Anything less than £25m is an absolute no go. We need to set a precedent that if Madrid want to buy our players, they have to pay through the nose like Arsenal did with RVP.
16 Jun 2015 11:10:14
I think we should keep him unless the clubs valuation is met.
Regardless of whether he would be unhappy about another year in Manchester or not, he needs top performances under his belt with the Euro's looming next year.
Just remember, we could always do a deal with Atletico, that would put him back in his home city, if that is what he truly desires.
16 Jun 2015 11:42:43
KingCantona ,
You say he allowed his contract to dwindle down but the club also allowed this situation to develop by not dealing with his contract situation sooner
Also there's no point getting annoyed about player loyalty anymore , that's just the way it is in football now . After all our current captain is a player who tried to get a move out of the club not once but twice
16 Jun 2015 12:05:34
Danny, Perez paid the buy out clause for Ramos and it was the only way to sign him as he had 3/4 years left on his contract if I remember correctly.
I agree that they may be willing to pay more for a Spanish player, but the fact remains he still only has a year left on his contract.
People saying he has treated us poorly, how? He hasn't let his contract run down we have. We could have opened talks about a renewing his contract at any point over the last three years but we left it too late tryinf to save us money. Now it will cost us money as we won't get anywhere near what he's worth.
As for sticking by him when things didn't go to plan when he first joined. Well isn't that what any sensible investor would do with a long term investment. We signed him when he was young so would obviously have to stand by him while he learned. Also its easy to say about the time and effort the club put into him, but what about the time and effort he put into improving himself? We can't take all the kudos for how good he has become, he was born with a natural talent which he has worked on all his life to get where he is now, so we help with that for 4 years. We didn't do it for his benefit but for ours.
He doesn't owe the club anything. And we have no right to deny him a return home. He isn't our property, football isn't slavery.
16 Jun 2015 12:25:50
You're completely right Shappy, he doesn't owe the club anything. But the club doesn't owe him anything either, so if he has his heart set on Madrid, they pay the price or De Gea spends a very unhappy year in Manchester and they have to make do with what they've got.
The fact of the matter is that Madrid need a new keeper far more than we need £13m (especially because a replacement will cost us considerably more than this).
Plus the point about Ramos is that Madrid are willing to pay big bucks for defenders and keepers provided they are high priority. De Gea is high priority for them.
16 Jun 2015 12:37:52
JMB, my post wasn't about the money pal. It was about us needing more than ever to have all our first team business done before we start preparing for the qualifiers. Nothing to do with money or anything else. We need to say 'offer a what we want (whatever that is), by this date or he will be our number one next season' or we could prepare using Valdes instead if it isn't decided. What we can't have is disruption, getting a difficult tie and going out as that will cost us a lot more than losing £15m on DeGea by keeping him for the final season of his contract.
16 Jun 2015 12:42:03
Bilko, he was offered a contract last summer along with Nani etc. He didn't sign then, he didn't sign when we offered again in January, and he hasn't signed since. It's not the club, it's the player. I heard this earlier in the season and Paddy Crerand mentioned it again last night on MUTV. When should we do renegotiating of contracts? 1 year into the deal?
16 Jun 2015 13:59:20
Remember Real Madrid have never paid more than 8m for a keeper, so they aren't going to just jump straight in at 30m. Its negotiation, I expect it was us who let slip the bid amount in order push it up by creating a media storm around the situation. Madrid would have known full well that 13m would be rejected but they had to gauge what is the right amount. You always go in low and see the reaction and then go in with a higher bid.
De Gea was offered a new deal first in September and then again in January as the current board have decided to leave offering deals for players until they have between 18 months to 2 years left on their contracts for key players and 12-18 months for players not deemed key players. This was done to save money on wages as they didn't want to give a pay rise to players with 3-4 years left on contract. We should have given him a new deal after Sir Alex retired, but the club wanted to try and save a couple of million on wages. Now we are left in a situation where a club can pretty much bully us in to selling a player below market value.
Or we can cut our nose off to spite our faces and keep him. Thus we have a potentially unhappy player in the dressing room, and uncertainty in our defence. And what would we gain? The moral high ground and a 20m loss.
We can moan about the situation all we want but we can't blame Real Madrid for trying to get a player for the best price possible, and we can't play DDG for wanting to return not just to his home country but his home city. We can blame the board and the directors who should have seen this coming and done something about it to protect the club.
16 Jun 2015 14:29:09
Shappy
I tend to agree with some of your posts but have to completely disagree on this one. It is perfectly fine for a player to want to leave and go elsewhere but not at the expense of us getting ripped.
I would sit him in reserves if there is any indication of collusion on his part to force a sale. Let's see how he is after sitting his ass on the bench for a year.
One thing it does it establishes for all existing and incoming players that there are guidelines and rules to how you go about things.
BTW have you seen anyone else in Europe of his profile creating a circus like this. Do you think Clubs like Bayern or Madrid themselves would accept something like this. 35 million is what they will pay from what i understand.
A club our size can afford to play hardball mate and that is where you are mistaken.
16 Jun 2015 14:37:14
If Real want to offer 13m for him then i would rather see him leave for free next season . That 13m would not make any difference to a club such as ours. And to all posters saying that it is better to sell him rather than keeping one unhappy player is ridiculous . Yes, he would love to join Madrid but he wouldn't like to leave Man Utd either . His family , gf and other personal issues are one of the major factor in his decision and i have no doubt he would love to stay with us . Who knows he may even do a U turn and sign a new contract . Remember Suarez did same with Liverpool when he wanted out but signed a new contract after Liverpool's super season seeing him go out for much higher fee . We can do same with De Gea . He will surely not be unhappy to play with us and I would rather finish his contract than selling for 13m . Even Cech at chelsea sitting almost every game at bench will bring 11m to their bank account
16 Jun 2015 14:47:40
Shappy
I think madrid need ddg not just because he's a great keeper but because with everything that's gone on with Casillas, the fans now expect them to sign ddg. He's going to be the keeper for the National side. There really are no alternatives for that exact reason.
Worst case scenario if we don't sell ddg is we'll lose him for free. I don't think he'll be unprofessional with the euros coming up. Also, if he doesn't perform this year here, madrid may not want him next year.
16 Jun 2015 14:50:09
Or, swap him for Oblak, send him to atleti, that would p£ss off Real!!!
16 Jun 2015 15:21:35
I think the problem is that people think Madrid have us over a barrel, when it's the other way round. Madrid have acknowledged that they need a new keeper and De Gea is their target. Not their top target, but the only player they are targeting. It would be difficult for them to wait until next season because their current keepers just aren't good enough (and I'd love to see the fan outrage if the lack of a quality keeper led to another trophyless season.
Madrid have three options: buy De Gea, or stick with what they have and get him for free next season, or move for another target. The first option is the only thing they're considering at the moment because they think that we will cave and let him go for a pitiful fee. If we stand firm and make them weigh up the alternatives, we will get a far better price for him. Arsenal proved it with RVP, if the player wants me to move to a specific club at a specific time, you can still get a good price even if their contract is running out. Madrid need De Gea this season, if we stand firm they will pay up.
16 Jun 2015 16:01:42
Perfectly put Danny. I would love to keep De Gea for a year for two reasons. Firstly he is the best goalkeeper in the league, and he knows he will have to perform to start for Spain and to join Madrid next summer. After all if he plays poorly, he won't start for Spain and Real won't necessarily want him. Secondly I hate Real as much as the next person, they are a vile club at the best of times, and as much as I still love Ronaldo, I wouldn't mind his club going another trophy-less season because we didn't sell them their first choice keeper. We should stand firm, demand £30m, and set a deadline such as July 31st, or he stays exactly where he is.
16 Jun 2015 16:02:53
I think people are missing the point.
Say you want to leave your current work place for personal reasons. And they say no, you have to stay for another year. How would you react?
Players are people they aren't slaves. We can't treat them like that.
People say we need to send out a message? Okay what message that we will bully players and make them stay when they don't want to so we can make a few extra quid out of them.
Yeah I'm sure that's going to make plenty of players want to join us.
DDG is a very good goalkeeper, arguably the best in the world atm. But he isn't the only goalkeeper who could do a great job for us, and he is entitled to perform his profession where he wants.
People need to remove their emotions from the situation. None of us want to lose him, but he wants to go. And refreshingly not for financial reasons but personal ones. We need to respect that.
Let him go, by all means we should try and get as much as we can but if that is only 18m or even 13m. We need to let him go and move on.
16 Jun 2015 17:10:02
Shappy, mate, I don't think we can ever use the word, 'slaves', when talking about guys earning a hundred thousand a week. Sort of belittles those who are actually in that position.