12 Jun 2015 12:24:33
Is anyone else concerned about the growing rumours of Harry Kane? I appreciate they are only rumours but they are being generated from somewhere. After not even a full season, the money being suggested is way above what I would like to spend on him. I know perhaps the gamble is he has another great season and then your Real Madrid's, Barcalona's etc become interested but I really hope we say clear of Kane this summer. What are people's thoughts?
12 Jun 2015 12:45:22
I like Kane and I think he would do well but ideally he'd prove himself for another season first. I imagine a deal would be difficult to do, I don't see Kane asking to leave, we all know how hardball Levy can play, but saying that spurs have a reputation for selling their best at a premium. One that could drag on if true I suspect. Pocchetino wouldn't be best pleased if this one happened would he, wasn't he seeking assurances that he would have say on players in and out before he joined as manager, I could be wrong.
Wage wise which I think if we have any FFP issues it's with wages it should'nt be an issue. Plus it'd be nice to have some more British or homegrown players for the quota. See how this plays out I guess and hope it's not 'sources' just to drive betting.
12 Jun 2015 12:45:47
Ports,
What you would like to spend on him? Are you paying? Best let Ed know, he might offer a bit more.
12 Jun 2015 12:49:33
I'd happily pay around £25m up front with another say £15m in add ons depending on how he does over the next few years, £40/50m up front would be pushing it I'd say.
12 Jun 2015 12:50:08
Sorry guys, didn't clock the conversation further down about Kane.
12 Jun 2015 13:07:00
Good one GDS2
12 Jun 2015 13:08:12
GDS is it a crime for fans of a club to be interested in the club's finances? At the end of the day it's the fans who provide these funds by purchasing tickets, television plans and merchandise.
You don't need to jump down someones throat at every opportunity mate.
12 Jun 2015 13:17:27
JMB.
Ports took it how it was meant to be taken pal, sure he is grateful for you defending him but really no need, I hardly jumped down his throat for Christ sake, grow up.
I appreciate people care about the cost of things but bearing in mind the sponsorship deals and tv money available this year nobody has any clue what the budget is or whether spending an extra 5-10 million here or there will mean we can't sign someone else, and I really don't think it works like that, so the money conversation, as often stated by the eds, is rather pointless and often misunderstood.
12 Jun 2015 13:17:40
Lol jmb, pot and kettle come to mind.
12 Jun 2015 13:32:07
Thanks for adding so much to fhe conversation Chris.
12 Jun 2015 13:36:56
fans only contribute a small amount of income for clubs,
we don't pay for the players so who really gives a sh.t how much we pay if there going to make the team better?
12 Jun 2015 13:43:56
since when did the fans contribute to all of the transfer kitty, i'm sure my £56 a month goes a long way helping fund these mega deals.
i'm going to start buying all adidas that way we might get more money off them when its time to renew our deal.
12 Jun 2015 14:04:37
So SPB if fans of the PL worldwide decided not to purchase Sky packages it wouldn't make a difference to our income? Get real.
12 Jun 2015 14:49:11
JMB,
But there are millions of people with sky, if you cancelled your sky package United would still be able to buy players, that is a crazy argument.
12 Jun 2015 14:55:54
jmb - unless you can show me what percentage of income the fans contribute towards transfer funds as gds said this debate is rather pointless
12 Jun 2015 15:16:53
GDS2
You are completely wrong in your view of what do we care what we pay. Our issue over the last 5 years has been paying too much for the wrong players with high wages. We seem unable to move players on period.
A good example is all this stuff about RVP leaving is complete bs imo as no one would pay him half his wages he is getting with us so at his age he will be there start of next year collecting his wages no matter how much he plays.
You do a few bad big deals as a club you end up going backwards a few years as it takes time to clean things up. So plunking down 50 million for a guy who had a good season is madness and no one runs a business that way.
This is not a best Eds knows but anyone who runs or has run a business and common sense stuff.
Another rood example is this guy Felipe Anderson at Lazio, Madness to pay 30 million for him, he is not worth it at all. there is so much garbage being printed at the moment half these guys are to worth half the numbers being quoted.
12 Jun 2015 15:18:49
Spb the fans indirectly contribute ALL transfer money to a club. If fans worldwide suddenly gave up all interest in football, there would be no money from tickets, merchandise, etc. There would also be no money from sponsors, Sky TV etc either, as if no one is watching, what is the point in sky paying a fortune to show it and why would a sponsor pay when no one is seeing their product on show? So the amount directly contributed is small, but without fans there would be no money in football, thus no transfer money. Fans have every right to be bothered by money being spent, if they personally feel it is a concern. The view of 'who cares what we pay' is a much stranger view in my eyes.
12 Jun 2015 16:33:41
Brendan,
But the point is that each of us contributes such a small small minority of that money that it really doesn't matter. You don't pay your money and think 'well I will be bloody annoyed if we don't sign xxxx' with that. When you spend your money you get something for your money, what they do with that is then up to the club.
I care what we pay for the reasons GCU said, not because I think the club owes me something because I bought a season ticket. My season ticket pays for 19 tickets to watch the club, not for players, the money I pay for a shirt gets me a shirt, not a player for the club. GCU, read what I say before you say I am completely wrong, I do agree with you that there are varying reasons why we should not over pay for players, but 'because I bought something so the club should do what I think is right' is not one of them.
An example of what I am getting at is when you go to ASDA and buy your shopping you get what you bought in return, you do not have a right to say how they use that money, you can't complain that you don't like their next advertising campaign because you spent money in ASDA and they are not using it wisely.
12 Jun 2015 17:03:32
i would have replied but GDS2 practially summed up what i would have said :)
12 Jun 2015 18:35:46
Go ask Leeds fans what they think of clubs overspending on players etc. No we won't get to that level but it can be a slippery slope which is why fans are concerned with the money being spent at times.
The difference between united and asda is that people care hugely for United, asda are just somewhere you get your bread and milk. If they overspend n go t*ts up you can go to tesco or morrisons etc so it's not important. No one thinks they have any rite to tell the club what to do, but it won't stop them caring and having concerns.
12 Jun 2015 21:49:51
GDS2
I have to completely disagree and your explanation is way too simplistic to even get into a debate about it. what Asda does and what United do with their money is a stretch to even discuss lol.
Take a look at Inter and AC Milan. bought a ton of sh. t for way too much money and wages and have had to basically tear the clubs apart and 5 years and counting and still years away from getting back to where they need to be.
We are guilty of getting sucked into all the hype around players and wanting the club to go nuts trying to sign them.