11 Jun 2015 12:30:51
Messi On Rooney
""If you look at the technical ability of a player like Wayne Rooney, he is as good as any player in Europe," Messi commented. "Rooney has exceptional quality. Not just great technical ability, but also works very hard for his team. I'm sure Manchester United will never want to let him leave, though."
I guess we should sell him to improve our team :))
11 Jun 2015 12:56:06
We all are often guilty of overlooking what Rooney does for us. He is better as a number 10 than he is a striker though and with the current formation that is a problem.
11 Jun 2015 13:02:01
All the idiots will probably discredit this and still slate Rooney but will probably jump to Scholes' defence with similar quotes from other players. Gets overlooked time and time again, hopefully, just maybe, in 10 or so years people will realise he's one of the greatest players to ever play for us.
11 Jun 2015 13:09:15
Well according to Messi, Di Maria was the best player in the world last year, so I'm not too convinced of the astuteness of his judgement.
Rooney is a top player and was certainly one of our better attacking players. But for his wages you would expect a player who can step up and change the course of a game with a moment of genuine class. To be honest, Rooney just doesn't step up enough to warrant his cost. If you had a choice between the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Robben, Bale, Suarez, do you think anyone would pick Rooney on pure footballing ability?
11 Jun 2015 13:25:09
Ok then, me, beast and about 50% of United supporters must all be idiots then. It's an opinion based site, we're all entitled to one even if it's not in line with yours or others. I think, in my opinion, Rooney is overhyped, not world class and for the betterment of the club he needs to move on. He has his attributes of course but they are having less and less impact. You and the other half see things differently and that's fine.
11 Jun 2015 13:28:05
Not knocking Rooney but since when did Messi become the greatest footballing professor? He is a great player, probably the best but he is no coach that's for sure. If Messi says dribble the ball off a cliff would you?
11 Jun 2015 13:48:17
I take all these player comments with a pinch of salt. Who knows why Messi would say this, maybe they just did a sponsorship thing together, maybe Rooney's accountant is helping Messi, maybe Messi is referring to the Rooney he watched pre 2012, there could be a myriad of reasons.
All I know is that Rooney is not in the top 20 strikers I would sign.
11 Jun 2015 13:48:46
manager after manager pick him , infact make him captain (as he is the first name on the team sheet).
but fans on here don't rate him .
should also say this is the only place I've seen him get stick.
i honestly think people don't appreciate what they have , rooney has been at the club that long that people have got bored of him , they want an exciting new toy .
last summer many doubted he would be a lvg player.
many thought he would be dropped from the england team even .
yet 2 different managers with different styles make him captain and the first name on the team sheet.
people just want a new shiny toy to get excited about
11 Jun 2015 14:14:03
Well I've heard get stick from here, the terraces, in the pubs etc. and it's because a lot have the same opinion. Rooney is lauded simply because he's English, same reason he's always picked and he's captain of the national team because he's most senior and England's greatest hope.
11 Jun 2015 13:55:54
danny
once they step on the pitch what does it matter what they get paid
11 Jun 2015 13:56:32
Good question Danny, I'd choose them all over Rooney, and not sure any could argue too much, but only if it was a younger Robben, prob not now so much. The rest though are a no brainer for me. And Rooney is a much much better striker than number 10 Fresh, behave yourself fella.
11 Jun 2015 14:28:17
Its nothing to do with that Jred imo - Scoring a player out of 10 without knowing the name, Rooney would score a 6 most games of the season probably less for England.
Moyes was weak, Hodgson is weaker. LVG I think has a screw loose.
SAF wanted rid of him and he has forgotten more than those 3 will ever know.
He hasn't played very well for a long time, there is no consistency. He is the definition of a player living off their reputation. All it is with Rooney is that enough people said something and it became a rule, "Rooney is the best player England has", "Rooney is the only World Class player and talisman". The papers needed it, the broadcast media needed it, England as a nation needed it. That was 10 years ago!
I remember 4-5 years ago there being regular debates everywhere about the best 3 players in the world and Rooney often came just below Messi & Ronaldo. However those debates never include Rooney anymore, even our own media are starting to say we have "no world class English players at the moment". We are just desperate as a nation and as a club at the minute. It's the same as looking at Mrs World 1980 and saying she is still hot, because 2 or 3 dirty old men keep wanting to have a bit of fun with her.
He doesn't stand out at anything, no aspect of his game is great, he is an above average player now and slowly slipping into mediocrity the more I watch him.
Moyes, LVG and Hodgson are not impartial, they are all or were desperate. The only person who wasn't was SAF.
He doesn't deserve the special treatment, the wages or the attention - the reason he gets it is because of who he was and how poor Utd and England currently are.
11 Jun 2015 14:01:45
Rooney is one of my favorite player . Maybe after he retires people will know how important he was to us . Not only in field but commercially as well
11 Jun 2015 14:50:02
If he were to leave, would you be happy if he were to sign for chelsea? If you would then maybe we should sell him. If not, (my choice) as he would make them stronger, then maybe it's a stupid debate.
sorry if this offends anyone but I keep seeing this come up and thought it was time to add my 2 cents.
11 Jun 2015 15:07:26
The point jred, is that clubs have limited money, and if you're spending over £15.5m per year on a player, you expect him to be offering something really special. It's not about a new shiny toy, it's asking if Rooney should be main man at the club or the first name on the sheet.
Rooney is a very good player, but the moment he steps out onto the pitch he isn't offering as much as other players in his wage bracket. I couldn't see any other club paying him as much as we do, and I think he has lost a lot of his explosive power over the last few years. I see Rooney as a player who will always put in the effort and occasionally put in excellent performances. But he doesn't drive the team in the way Suarez did at Liverpool, or Bale at Spurs, or Messi at Barca. It was telling toward the end of the season that when we were struggling to score and needed some attacking driven, Rooney didn't step up. World class players make a team tic, Rooney only plays well when the rest of the team is.
11 Jun 2015 15:15:04
"All I know is that Rooney is not in the top 20 strikers I would sign."
Beast you must be having a laugh. List your 20 strikers ahead of him please and make sure it does not have Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Ageuro and some of the guys that we all know are not available and pie in the sky stuff. Easily top 10 striker for me.
Rooney is a proven PL league top top player and I am a little amused by how people just dismiss that. He will score 20 goals every season if we had a fix for our midfield and played him where he should play.
I am amused by people going gaga over players like Griezman every transfer window as he is no better than Lamela or Jovetic were and look at how they have turned out.
Said 2 1/2 years ago the 3 vs will fix us Verrati, Varrane, Vidal and still believe that. The reality is many of the players the rubbish press reports our interest in the current transfer market are not good enough to replace what we already have. So buying for the sake of buying is just stupid.
11 Jun 2015 15:16:34
Topbomin who would he replace at Chelsea for the first 11? Fabregas? Hazard? Costa? Oscar? I honestly don't think he'd be a first choice for them unless they play 2 up top, which Jose is unlikely to do. If you asked Chelsea fans if they would want Rooney instead of one of those mentioned, I'm sure to a man/woman they would stick with who they have.
11 Jun 2015 15:17:03
beast
hodgson lvg and moyes are not impartial ? r u.
fergy picked rooney when fit.
these people worked with him day in day out.
never mind messi and co .
rooney is our best player i could name 10 people to sell before him.
im right in thinking you rate and want to keep rafael, but want to sell rooney ?
you also rate and wanted to keep welbeck but sell rooney.
danny
good question ? if we apply that to every player we will only have ddg left.
rooney has been our best outfield player and people want to sell him.
like i said shiny new toys .
people will be shouting for kagawa next
11 Jun 2015 15:25:54
Him going to Chelsea or a City would be a nightmare for us. He would score 25 goals a season and people around here would go into hiding :Imagine him having the Silva's, Nasri's, Aguero's or Oscar, Hazzard's and febregas servicing him.
I do agree silly debate and i posted messi's comments because after all he has played against the best and would know better than most of us who are arm chair quarterbacks lol. Funny Ronaldo also thinks along the same lines.
11 Jun 2015 15:36:28
danny
any top player would want top cash plus a 40 mill fee.
on the pitch rooney is one of our best players.
until a player comes to the club or england for that matter and forces him out of the team i don't see a problem.
many though kagawa would but he wasnt good enough .
i don't think the 40 mill mata has been any better.
united will know what rooney is worth to the club both on and off the field , they offered him a contract and pay him what they feel he is worth .
whats the issue ?
we have plenty of money and will continue to buy top players .
until there is a better player on the bench than rooney and one that deserves to be in the starting 11 i have no issue.
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11 Jun 2015 15:49:42
Isnt it possible that a team could have a world class(arguable) player that DOES NOT suit the team's play?
We rant on and on about how adm is not suited for possession play. Well, is rooney?
Barca have sold players in their primes because they felt the players didn't suit the tactics. And we can see the results.
11 Jun 2015 16:10:53
You could say Kags and Mata weren't/aren't better than him or good enough or you could say due to the 'Rooney must play regardless' ethic of moyes and LVG you could say mata and kagawa have been held back/hampered by accommodating Rooney at all cost, after all SAF vision was kagawa behind RVP and Wayne sold.
I agree with everything Beast just said.
11 Jun 2015 17:07:53
When did Messi last play against Rooney?
11 Jun 2015 17:15:21
welsh
kagawa had numerous chances and didn't have 1 good 90 minutes.
fergy had kagawa rooney and rvp if fit rooney played simple as .
the season before we signed kags rooney had just scored 34 goals and was by far our best player.
united agreed a deal with kagawa during that season .
i think kags was bought to play off rooney .
then in the summer rvp was available and fergy said it was to good to turn down.
leaving kags the odd man out .
as for mata he has done ok but not enough to really convince lvg or moyes.
11 Jun 2015 17:15:57
I'm not rooneys biggest fan but he is our best player. Like Jred said every manager picks him.
I just wish he would be a more consistent striker. But United have to take some blame for that too.
11 Jun 2015 17:24:47
beast
when did you play against rooney
11 Jun 2015 17:27:33
Shock horror another Rooney debate.must.not. comment.
Ah to hell with it, sell him while we can. lol
11 Jun 2015 17:39:44
Beast didn't utd play barca in a pre season game in 2012 (cant be sure rooney and messi played) but othrf than that it would probably be 2011 cl final.
11 Jun 2015 18:25:58
Yes Kagawa uprooted trees when he played in his "preferred" No 10 role. People talk about SAF's vision like they know the man better than others yet forget that Rooney played more matches than Kagawa that season, in the "No 10" role. May be SAF can now be termed clueless? Its exactly like Jred says, "shiny new toys". By the way when you see Shahram, who is not Wayne's biggest fan defend him, you know that the thread has agenda posting at it's best from a few.
Deeps.
11 Jun 2015 18:28:45
By the way, I completely agree with the 3 Vs that Shahram thinks would fix us. Varane is excellent by the way, best young defender in the world.
Deeps.
11 Jun 2015 18:39:18
At least he has had full seasons for the last two years more so than RVP
11 Jun 2015 19:00:10
I have no agenda, I just say it as I see it and have an opinion, if people disagree more power to ya, what I dislike however is if someone dare have a different view it's criticised and were idiots or have agendas, comes across as we're not worthy of being a united fan or we know it all, think people just need to let others have a viewpoint.
11 Jun 2015 19:43:04
I have not called you names buddy, if you have an agenda, you don't like a player! I don't have a problem with it, because its not like you don't like me. IMO you have an agenda with Rooney, does not make you any less of a poster. Sorry, if my first post came across as condescending. You can have a viewpoint as much as me or anyone else. What's with these Rooney debates?
Deeps.
11 Jun 2015 22:13:51
They do get heated don't they deeps ha. I don't have an agenda with Rooney just an opinion, however likelihood is he's here to stay and I'll support him.
12 Jun 2015 10:29:09
There are really people that want to let rooney go? the rooney that is currently third top goalscorer in HISTORY of Manchester united, 19 goals behind the great SIR BOBBY CHARLTON.
WOW didn't know Man Utd were the sort to turn there backs on a player that has done so much for the club. works tirelessly for us when a lot of strikers are just lazy til they think they can score.
yes he didn't play that well last year but did anyone (apart from carrick because he is amazing).
did he really get the service that would have allowed him to score 20+ goals?
think anyone that wants to sell rooney is deluded.
RANT OVER