28 May 2015 17:50:05
Let's start a new debate, or one I've not seen at least so forgive me if it's been talked about recently. Should Ryan Giggs be given the chance to succeed LVG as United manager or should he ply his trade elsewhere first?
28 May 2015 18:07:56
No should get the experiance from lvg and then go and prove himself in the lower leagues first
28 May 2015 18:15:22
No he hasn't got the pulling power (except you know who) that other managers will have when its time to change.What i mean to say is we need a champions league winning manager not a Moyes type manager
28 May 2015 18:17:23
I think Giggs is a legend. Depending on how he gets on in the next 2 years I think he may be given the chance. LVG rates him and hopefully is teaching him a great deal.
If LVG thinks he is ready, I'm happy with that
28 May 2015 18:37:46
Someone thought Moyes was ready and look how that went. Giggs needs to prove himself at a lower club first
28 May 2015 18:46:17
He should at least manage the U21's for a season. I don't mind recruiting from within so long as it is justified.
What do we really know about Giggs? My impression of him is that he is quiet, reasonably intelligent (but not clever enough). He has played under SAF and enjoyed that way of playing which is a bonus. The problem is that the ideas of SAF and LVG are completely different, is SAF spending any time with him, grooming him as well?
This is no means a barometer to judge him but from watching their nominal interactions on match day it seems LVG and Giggs aren't exactly bosom buddies. It is difficult to learn from somebody if you don't like the lesson being taught or the teacher, I can't see how Giggs will be ready in any case.
SAF's methods are of an era before, LVG's are not what Giggs the player was all about, he needs to go elsewhere for me - it would be a massive gamble that I frankly don't think Giggs has the intelligence/experience to deal with.
But who knows for sure I would rather Giggs than this guy, at least Giggs should bring a more entertaining approach based solely on the way he played of course! He will be allowed to make mistakes as well, is that a good thing if we want to be competing on all fronts?
28 May 2015 18:53:16
I would be worried if he walked straight into the job after LvG, I've seen little to convince me he is ready for such a top job at this stage. Perhaps some experience elsewhere, as has been mentioned.
28 May 2015 18:56:18
The general view of young potential managers is that they need to go away and get experience and a lower league team. But what actual benefit would this do him? He would be working at a team with less technical players then he is used to, less physically able players (endurance, speed etc) then he used to, poorer facilities, less funds, limited and poor support such as sport scientists and analysis teams and facilities. This isn't a criticism of lower league football but it would be an environment that Giggs has never encountered and if the idea of this is to prepare him for United, he will not encounter at United so why not serve his time under LVG and then step up if the club, LVG, players and himself believe he is capable. He is doing or done his coaching badges and worked under some great coaches so coaching is or should not be a problem, he has delivered team talks even as a player I expect under SAF, he has no doubt dealt with young players and experienced players coming to him for advice as a senior figure, he is an icon at United who everyone would look up to and respect. He has first hand experience of the modern game and will have a great understanding of how Chelsea, City, Liverpool etc will set up and know their players. His only lack of experience would be in the transfer market but then all he has to do identify the players he would like and let the club try to do the business so this wouldn't be a concern. He knows what it takes to win leagues, cups and European cups so the question has to be, why shouldn't Giggs be given the chance? LVG has a good record of former players going into management and being successful much like SAF did so Giggs has worked with 2 of the best managers in developing clubs and individuals. I for one think he should be one of the top contenders for the job after LVG.
28 May 2015 19:15:35
The problem is Giggs is in his comfort zone at Old Trafford , been there since he was a kid and ( rightly) a club legend. He's now assistant which means that although he has a role to play the pressure isn't on him and he won't get the flak when things go wrong .
Even Guardiola had a spell away from Barca playing in Italy and the Middle East and when he came back to Barca he managed the B team who play in the Spanish league and won promotion with them .
28 May 2015 19:28:32
Would like Giggs to go abroad even if it's just to coach or assist at a big european club. Being a one club man moreover predominantly a one manager man means he has only his experience as a player under Fergie. I think to be successful as a manager especially in the ECL I think you need to experience how other nations play and the tactics they employ. No coincidence all the best managers of today have worked all over Europe.
28 May 2015 19:31:17
Ports, you saved me a lot of bother, mate. Good post.
28 May 2015 19:53:40
Yeah, look at Eddy Howe. Played for Bournemouth, went straight into managing them and look how badly that turned out.
28 May 2015 20:12:57
Great point Ports.
28 May 2015 20:16:49
Lets see how he develops but there allot of players who went straight into big jobs with no experience such Krap Kenny lfc, Pep Barca, Klopp Dortmund, and younger Howe Bournmouth, so why not especially if we are no better than we currently are.
28 May 2015 20:50:29
I'm sure there are good examples and bad. I'm not sure sending him away for experience is the answer either but that doesn't change the fact that he's done little Imo to suggest to an outsider like me that he has the required skillset, despite his legend status. I guess those on the inside will be more educated on the matter.
28 May 2015 21:02:57
The structure of the club is against Giggs appointment. Look at Barcelona, the structure is there, the football methodology. The head coach just coaches the team. The coach is transitional , likely only short term.
At United we have a manager and a massive club where the manager is responsible for all aspects. It is too big for Giggs unless the structure of the club dramatically changes.
For me the problem is that too many are looking for someone who can give us another 26 years like SAF. It is very unlikely to happen, SAF was a one off, a very strong leader who had significant experience at Aberdeen.
Giggs needs to go and show he can win something somewhere else, a Newcastle or Sunderland but would they give him a chance? Probably not and nor should we until he has more experience, working alongside someone won't be enough and will be too big a risk.
28 May 2015 21:11:18
Klopp managed Mainz for years before Dortmund and Bournemouth with all due respect to them is not a big job
28 May 2015 21:32:27
As I have said many many times. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
28 May 2015 21:51:37
Where did Pep start his managerial career? Mourinho? Don't see any problem with promoting from within. Give him experience with the U21s and see how he gets on.
28 May 2015 23:17:44
World class players will not sign for us with Giggs as manager just like they wouldn't for Moyes .But they would with a Jose, Pep or Ancelotti
29 May 2015 00:18:56
So those saying yes are willing to take the chance on Giggs, who even if working with the U21's will be totally unqualified and tested, just because Pep n Jose managed it? How many have failed? I wouldn't chance it, Giggs is a legend at United, but it is a huge no from me, unless he leaves and proves himself elsewhere. There is far too much at stake these days, even more so than when Jose and Pep got their chance. The money and pressure grows by the season, we need proven management, not a fairytale.
29 May 2015 01:17:53
I don't see the point in sending Giggs anywhere. There's no earthly comparison between managing Shrewsbury, and managing Utd. Success at Shrewsbury, relative or otherwise, would prove absolutely nothing in terms of whether or not he could handle the Utd job. All it would prove is that he could manage a team from a lower division.
I'm not advocating him taking over, but he warrants consideration. Is promotion from within a 'bootroom' structure, really such a bad idea, especially if he's recommended by the current manager who's been around the block a bit? I'm sure if Giggs knew feck all, as some on here appear to think going by some of the comments against him during the season, then LVG would hardly be recommending him.
29 May 2015 02:12:24
Wow there is a lot of pessimism in this thread.
What was SAF all about? That's right taking risks with our own, putting our trust into our structures to know we can product amazing talent. I think Giggs should manage the U21 for a season or two and see how he gets on there.
He will be able to see the youngsters coming through and help mould them for when he takes over.
29 May 2015 08:39:11
I'm with you Brendan, just because it worked with Pep it will work with Giggs? We need to be ruthless when LvG goes not risk taking a step back by letting hearts rule heads. When Pep talks about football I stand up and listen whereas I have rarely been inspired listening to Giggs talk about the game. The way he set us up in the 4 games last season makes me worry he spent too long under saf to have picked up an understanding of modern football styles and tactics, I was a bit disappointed with what he did with that excellent opportunity tbh. If Giggs turns into a top manager prospect over the years then let's give him a shot but let's not just assume he will do well because of his legend status or because Pep managed it.
29 May 2015 09:39:43
Most of the pro Giggs points seem to be circumstantial e.g. Its worked for other people so why not?
I'm interested in what it is particularly about Giggs that makes people see him as qualified? Is it the way he talks about the game, the way he set us up in those 4 games or what he's done under lvg/moyes? Because I'm struggling to see much else to go off.
To those suggesting he gets experience with the u21's first that is a good shout - but will he get the chance to do that by the time LvG goes?
I'm all up for giving him the opportunity in years to come if he's earnt it and shown to be qualified but not just because his name is Ryan Giggs.
29 May 2015 10:03:13
LVG's an experienced football man, who see's him at work every day. He seems to think Giggs has got what's required, so I'd take that as a pretty good reference.
29 May 2015 10:39:35
LVG is just saying what the club want him to imo. He was forced to take Giggs. Giggs himself said his job is mainly to tell LVG about the history of certain fixtures and what to expect when we go to away grounds.
How was our award record by the way?
29 May 2015 10:41:01
Fair enough Stevie, although many of us thought the same when Saf gave Moyes a reference.
I'm hoping the next manager goes thru a thorough process where his qualities are put under the microscope. Not just handed the job by reference.
29 May 2015 10:43:32
NC99 - Fergie was an experienced football man and he thought Moyes was the man for us hence the reason for his 6 year deal. If Giggs got the job I would back him obviously but he would be far from my first choice at the moment.
29 May 2015 13:45:40
Nor mine, but he deserves to be mentioned, and our first choices might not be available. I think there's probably only three or four names, and maybe 10 or 12 teams with the pulling power to attract them. Maybe all the stars will align, and a world-class manager will just walk in on cue, but I doubt it'll be that easy.