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27 May 2015 09:58:07
Interesting to hear that Rooney has said LVG wants him to have '10 touches per game'. A figure of speech yes, but an interesting one.

Rooney is someone who wants to get involved but LVG is insistent that his role as a striker is to control the two central defenders and makes runs in behind, down the sides etc whilst allowing the midfielders to pull the strings.

Whether Rooney can do this or not is another matter. He did it against City but has clearly been dropping deep in other games.

Next year will be interesting when we field a higher class of midfielder.

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27 May 2015 10:45:52
It is in Rooney's nature to drop deep. He cannot play exactly the way LVG wants him to because a) it isn't in his nature and b) he simply isn't intellgent enough.

I like Rooney and he has been a great investment for this club but the only way Rooney knows how to play and will ever know how to play is his own way. LVG must remember that not everyone is as intelligent as a Thomas Muller.

27 May 2015 11:00:23
its interesting when you read he says his role as striker was to average 10 touches a game , stay out of it control the cb.

said it before wouldn't want to be a striker in this team

27 May 2015 11:12:22
JMB, he did it against City to full effect which dismisses point b). Perhaps naturally he he likes to drop deep and get the ball but this prevents him scoring more goals. When Rooney scored 30+ goals one season, he scored a number of headers as he was told by SAF to stay within the width of the penalty box which is where goal scorers do their damage. I think with a more established midfielder on a regular basis such as Schweinsteiger, Rooney will stay up top and get the rewards of scoring more goals. His main problem for me is he tries to take on to much responsibility for the team which is why he drops back and tries to make things happen. As for not being intelligent enough, one of Rooney's strengths and what people admired about Rooney was his football brain, the fact he can play a number of positions is an example of this.

27 May 2015 11:05:12
What does the future hold for Rooney then? A permanent midfield spot? Perhaps alongside Herrera with Carrick/Schweinsteiger behind and a new forward?

27 May 2015 11:19:11
I think its interesting that after that whimper of a display against Hull at the weekend (which was a complete bore fest) everyone wants us to sign a world class striker to score goals. Is there a more deadly finisher than Falcao out there? Its not about the personnel its about how we play. Playing a predator with their back to goal makes zero sense. It's like asking a lion to catch its prey running backwards.

27 May 2015 11:26:18
Ports so because he did it that one game he is now the player the manager wants him to be? If that was the case he wouldn't have spent half the season up in CM. As for being an intelligent player, he is not. He is an instinctive player there is a difference.

How many games over the years has Rooney just ran about like a headless chicken chasing the ball? An intelligent forward is someone like Bergkamp or Suarez who is already 6 steps ahead of the defender and the defender doesn't even know it.

27 May 2015 11:28:40
Drogba made a half decent career out of playing with their back to goal.

27 May 2015 11:32:41
Drogba is a monster who bullied defenders. The guy gave me the shivers just watching him on television. He is one of a select few who can play that way and be effective. Good comparison though.

27 May 2015 11:55:18
Actually Started a very similar post myself yesterday Surprised no-one else mentioned it.

I had said myself and asked the question has the reason that Rooney had started to drop deep in the last 5 games or so a direct result of Carrick being injured?

When Carrick has played we played superb, Rooney didn't drop deep and our midfield felt more fluid, the city games a perfect example.

I just feel LVG has Rooney dropping deeper to compensate to relay the ball to the wide men in the hopes the opposition drop deeper.

We lack the intelligence in Midfield when Carrick is absent when Rooney does not drop deep and stretches the defence like LVG asks Carrick is the player who intelligent enough to play the ball into said Space.

My Ideal replacement or Recruitment would be Veratti as he's in My eyes an extremely intelligent footballer

27 May 2015 12:21:45
JMB, your statement said that Rooney is not intelligent to play that role, I merely pointed out that he done this very effectively against City which suggests he is. I also pointed out that with an established CM, Rooney would be able to do this on a more regular basis. Carrick was only involved in 19 games last season and Herrera came into his own late into the season. This is a reason why Rooney drops into CM. To have instinct you must have intelligence, players who are intelligent have been trained how to do something, player with instinct knows why and when to do something, Rooney, Bergkamp, Suarez are all in this category. Instinct is recognising the situation you're in and reacting to it. Falcao lacked sharpness and confidence which had a role on effect on his finishing, don't be mislead by his lack of goals and think this is due to the style of play. We took a chance on a striker who had a serious injury and has had minimal game time in the last 2 years and it hasn't worked out.

27 May 2015 12:59:08
Ports - anyone can play well in a one off game. No matter what you tell a player like Rooney he will always drift to where he feels he should naturally be, he has done so his entire career. No there is a difference between an intelligent player and an instinctive one, a big difference.

If you are trying to tell me Rooney envisions the way a play will go the way a Suarez or a Messi does then that's a poor judgment on your part. In a free flowing set up this season Falcao would have scored a bucket load of goals. If he was in a team like say Arsenal he would have been top goalscorer this season. He is an example of an instinctive player, he will eat up chances but he won't make things happen on his own.

27 May 2015 14:10:48
And if you believe that Falcao is the same player he was prior to his injury then that is poor judgment on your part.

As for Rooney doing it in a one off game, as I stated, with an established CM behind Rooney regularly, we can see him do it more regularly.

And your right there is a difference between and intelligent player and an instinctive one as I stated, and instinctive player has the intelligence as well. Just for your benefit, instinct is a behaviour pattern in response to a certain stimuli. You said Rooney is instinctive then state that Suarez and Messi envision the way play will go, well that my boy, is instinct.

It's very romantic that you wanted Falcao to be a success as did the majority of United fans, myself included but the truth is, Falcao is not the player he was and will not return to that standard in the Premiership.







 

 

 
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