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13 May 2015 07:44:51
The following is a direct quote from Gianluigi Buffon :

"I have been in football many years but the decision of Sir Alex Ferguson and Manchester United to not play Pogba and let him leave is one of the strangest I have ever seen.

"After just a few training sessions we saw how good he was. it cannot have been the same player they saw in Manchester - we thought they maybe needed glasses.
"I have never seen a player who is so good at his age, he is so strong, so technically gifted, has exceptional all-round play.

"Pogba can do things only Pogba can, similar to Messi and Ronaldo. United let one of the top players in the world leave but that has been only good news for us"

It does make you wonder what actually happened with Pogba at United. We went through all that trouble with Le Harve to get him in the first place and for what? Pogba didn't become a world beater overnight when he joined Juventus, so for Buffon to say he was top quality in his first few training sessions then he was obviously a fine player at United. What a loss.

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13 May 2015 08:43:46
Hi fellow reds!
First time poster, been reading for a good while, brilliant site well done eds and regulars

Jmb, Imo fergies biggest mistake as our manager, but who am I to know better than fergie, something most of been wrong with the lad if fergie reckoned the da silva twins could put in a better shift than him in the middle

13 May 2015 08:44:50
Pretty sure ed002 has said a few times that he wanted to go and it wasnt SAF's fault. Maybe he had an agent whispering in his ear about vast sums of money.

13 May 2015 09:01:52
The editor has mentioned repeatedly that Pogba was always going to leave. It had nothing to do with Sir Alex not playing him that season.

Pogba was being hawked around Europe by his agent from the summer and it was clear before the game against Blackburn (which he keeps talking about over and over) that he would be leaving to Juventus. The club and manager did everything to keep him.

You only need to look at what his agent has done with Ibrahimovic and Balotelli to know that Pogba will move from club to club every 3 years and be a cash cow for his agent. Also look at what his agent has said about messi and what he would have done had he been Messi's agent. After that, draw your own conclusions.

Personally, I don't at all want Pogba at United. He consistently dragged ours and Sir Alex's reputation through the mud and has shown no respect for the club. He is overpriced as well. I'd rather sign Nainggolan and Vidal/Gundogan for that sum.

{Ed001's Note - that is true, but he could have chosen a different agent, which Ferguson used to force young players to do. Once he chose not to go with a Fergie approved agent, he was never going to get a chance at United.}

13 May 2015 09:08:22
Munster D - welcome mate, looking forward to seeing some posts from a new face. I think we all agree that Pogba may have been Fergies biggest mistake.

Brendan - that's all well and good mate but it does make you wonder why he wasn't given a chance if he was as highly rated as he seems to be. Maybe there was an underlying behavioural issue or something like that but what a good player he has become.

13 May 2015 09:19:10
@Ed001

I don't know about not choosing a fergie chosen agent, but what I can definitely say is once he chose Mino Raiola, he was always going to leave. If not then, then in a couple of years he would have.

We don't need this circus at all at United. Good riddance if you ask me. There are plenty of midfielders around the world whom we could buy.

{Ed001's Note - I agree, but the question should be asked why he chose him, rather than going with Fergie's chosen.}

13 May 2015 09:24:52
Ed001 - it sounds like you have just hit the nail on the head there mate. Once he went against Fergie's wishes with the agent his time was up regardless of his ability. That's the type of guy Fergie was (his way or no way) and its part of the reason he was very successful.

13 May 2015 09:35:20
No doubt JMB, it's a huge shame he isn't here, with that type of player in the side this season, we'd have been a hell of a lot closer to Chelsea.

13 May 2015 09:36:18
JMB,

We don't all agree that Pogba was Fergie's biggest mistake at all, it's been made clear that Pogba's agent was trying to move him on and get a good deal for himself, Fergie didn't want a player holding the club to ransom like he was trying to do, and as REDFAITH says, just look who his agent is and that says it all.

In terms of biggest mistake, I would say letting Jaap Stam leave when he did was a much bigger one, as Fergie has even admitted himself, as well as the signings of Veron, Djemba Djemba, David Bellion etc.

13 May 2015 09:41:31
His career will follow a similar path to that of Zlatan, he will constantly move clubs every 2/3 years forever in search of the next big payday .
We need someone who will grow with the club and give us stability in seasons to come.
right age,right talent,wrong attitude.

13 May 2015 09:47:10
I don't know about that GDS. If you seen Veron in his element at Lazio it would have been hard to see that he would have flopped as big as he did at OT. The others I agree and you could add countless others such as Kleberson, Anderson etc.

What I am trying to say about Pogba is if he was that good when he first joined Juve then he must have been that good at United. What I don't understand is why he wasn't given a run in the first team if he had the ability.

Yes maybe his agent was a pain in the neck but if he had the natural ability back then why not give him a chance to prove he deserved a bumper new deal? The money he was on initially at Juve wasn't anything spectalcular in this day and age so there was obviously football reasons behind his move.

13 May 2015 10:00:34
GDS2, enjoy your posts

I don't think signing players like bellion, djemba jive bar and kleberson were a bigger mistake then letting players leave like pogba and Stam as you've said, he took a gamble on those young players didn't pay off, but it was well known pogba was going to be a real talent, imo his stubbornness and ego got in the way

13 May 2015 10:30:18
The reason he didn't play Pogba regardless of his obvious talent is he didn't want to help his agent by putting him the shop window.

Pogba was never going to sign a contract extension unless we paid Raiola 4/5m signing fee(which he got for getting him to sign with Juve). We can't regardless of talent be held to ransom to pay for youth players who have came through our OWN youth system to sign professional terms. Imagine if we had to pay similar amounts of money to get Evans, Eagles, Richardson and Cleverley to sign professional terms. Everyone would be going mad, once you go down that route you are stuck with it.

Regardless of how good a player Pogba becomes, Sir Alex made the right choice in letting him go. It might be hard for some people to grasp but there was Manchester United long before there was Paul Pogba, and there will still be Manchester United long after Paul Pogba has retired.

{Ed001's Note - that is not true Shappy, he was frozen out because he wasn't signing for Fergie's chosen to get him a nice payment. If Rainfish (or whatever name he was using last) was here, he would be here telling you how Fergie operated in this regard. Young players were not given a chance the moment they chose not to sign for his choice of agent, no matter how good they were and it was nothing to do with helping an agent. It should have been about doing what was right for the club, which was playing the better player to get better results.}

13 May 2015 10:46:17
Where did you get the £4-5million agent figure from Shappy?

{Ed002's Note - The advice that led Paul Pogba to leave was not just from Mino. Manchester United had an offer made for the player in January by which time they already knew he would be leaving in the summer. The decided that they did not wish to sell even though it would have been acceptable to the player and his advisors. It was all dealt with at the time on these pages.}

13 May 2015 11:01:01
Redfaith , you say above that Pogba dragged the clubs reputation through the mud .
Did Fergie not do the same with the whole Rock Of Gibraltar episode ?

13 May 2015 11:01:44
Hey my good mate Ed002 is back (I knew deep down we were still friends!)

So is that figure of £4/5million to the agent correct?

{Ed002's Note - I am not providing any transfer information but simply want to stop any misinformation being shared regarding Pogba.}

13 May 2015 11:19:34
Ed002 you make me sad.

13 May 2015 11:31:36
Seems like I have a stalker. *Disagree*.

Whoever it is, fair play, but you have way too much time on your hands.

13 May 2015 11:34:52
Ed001 is bang on here. Pogba may have left anyway, but Fergie's stature at the club should not gloss over his dodgy dealings. Even if Pogba was destined to leave, he was clear a better player than the majority of players who played cm for us that year. Even Scholes admits that he was surprised when Fergie asked him to come back when we had a player of Pogba's standard who couldn't get a sniff.

13 May 2015 11:53:56
So to summize. It was a Fergie mistake then.

13 May 2015 12:18:15
I agree with redfaith over priced and will be a problem player where ever he ends up as he will get shopped around every 2 or 3 years and brings about a lot of uncertainty and instability. His agent is one interesting character.

13 May 2015 12:46:24
No player is bigger than the club, we were here before Pogba and we will be here after. SAF knew he was a mercenary, we offered a record amount for an academy player and he turned it down, from that point he was never going to play. Let it go.

13 May 2015 13:38:22
We are not far away from being able to compete with the elite clubs of Europe and a few strategic additions will make this squad a very very good team.

Even with our horrendous year last year we were competitive against the likes of Bayern who are loaded by all accounts.

Look at Juve's team and they have not gone out and blown their brains out on any single player but bought smart. If they can pull off Pogba to PSG and verrati and Cavani going their way, They are brilliant.

Let Madrid buy an entire team of high priced guys from all over the world and its always a circus there as too many egos to manage.

We are in a good place financially and hope we do not have a repeat of Dimaria this summer as for me that has to be our worst ever deal given what we have paid and what we got in return. Sanchez at half the cost is double the player.

My biggest concern is that we do not genuinely have a world class striker anymore, which we have been used to having for so many years and need to get a genuine 20 goal a season scorer who is a Centre forward and not a false 9. Benzema would be my first choice.

13 May 2015 14:09:17
Did Pogba chase the money or did he chase the play time?
Yes his agent is an a.hole but which agent isn't? In my opinion Pogba made the best move for him and it turned out the right move for him and his career, afterall isn't he now classed as one of the best in the world.
Fergie mistake in my eyes.

13 May 2015 16:41:04
Thanks for the info Ed001.

Personally I couldn't care less about Pogba right now. He will cost ridiculous money not just in terms of transfer fee but wages too. Even if he did sign he will be on his bike in a couple of years.

Vidal, Gundogan, Nainggolan are some very good options who could be just as good as him, if not better. There is no need to bring the pogba circus to town. What we need is sensible and smart buying which will be sustainable. Starting with letting go of Falcao and Rvp, perhaps even Mata.

13 May 2015 17:08:03
Easy to blame Fergie when we don't know what went on. I think he has always chased money and fair enough as people have different drivers and everyone likes wealth but maybe in equal proportions to other things in life.

In his case and his agent they definitely are always chasing the buck.

13 May 2015 17:09:45
BTW in our case and what is most needed if you gave me choice of Verrati or Pogba, I would take Verrati. Praying PSG buys him as that might be window for us to get Verrati. Having said that i think Verrati wants to go to Juve.

13 May 2015 17:21:57
I would take Pogba over Verrati any day of the week but saying that, I wouldn't say no to Verrati.

13 May 2015 17:24:27
This pogba thing has been done to death ed002 has told us many times what was happening.
If he signed for city / viera it will be no surprise either, viera was chirping in his ear at the time advising him to leave utd and go to juve. Pogba and his agent are trouble. This fergie dis respected me is crap reminds me of ya ya and his lack of respect because he didn't get a birthday cake!

13 May 2015 19:58:10
No doubt Pogba and his agent were chasing the money, but Fergie was doing it too. I'd wager that Fergie made a pretty penny 'advising' young players on the right choice of agent over the years.

13 May 2015 20:21:52
Yes done to death. We offered him a good contract and he declined, he was clearly leaving, so why would you play a player who is determined to leave when you don't even stand to make a transfer fee for him?

Obviously he was good enough to play, we knew that, Saf knew that, everyone knew that. But the issue was he was always moving so I think we were right not to play him.

If you know who is agent is then none of thus is surprising.

{Ed002's Note - You are not reading my note - there was critical input from someone else - it doesn't matter who, but it was decisive.}

13 May 2015 17:12:30
Ed001

Fergie forcing agents on to young players is more conspiracy theory stuff mate. You don't actually believe that do you?

Its like the Barca Doping story and specialist doctors all bs in my opinion.

{Ed001's Note - I know he did it mate, it is not a conspiracy it is fact.}







 

 

 
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