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02 May 2015 20:55:28
Whilst the team is built around Rooney this team cannot evolve. Too many players moved around to accommodate a player that really doesn't have a position he excels in. We need to buy a player who poses a serious goal threat and what we don't need is to have to lose a midfield player to accommodate for Rooney as a knock on effect

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02 May 2015 21:11:08
Been saying it ages, he is a good striker but he isn't good elsewhere.

02 May 2015 21:12:25
if rooney was injured today we would of been just as bad.
watching the game today the team didn't look to be built around rooney to me

{Ed004's Note - I agree with Clarity tbh. It wasn't solely Rooneys fault today. That would be unfair on him. However, I don't think he would get into any of Europe's top teams. I reckon he should be back up to RVP but only if LvG feels than Van Persie can get back to his very best form. If we didn't have big improvements to make in defence and midfield I would have wanted a striker this summer}

02 May 2015 22:18:42
I would honestly one day like to see Aguero, Costa, Lewandowski, Persie, Benzema etc play CM. Shock horror, double standards when it comes to Wayne. Clarity, did you ever think about LVG being a bit of a numpty to keep playing him in midfield? Ohh I forgot you are a fan boi. Taking potshots at a player for not setting the world on fire while playing for a position that's anything but his primary one. Fickle fans at their best. May be you should figure out how our learned manager has no Plan B when the opposition sits back and defends?

Deeps.

{Ed004's Note - I would also prefer to see all them playing as a striker ahead of Rooney. I honestly do not think he is a world class striker anymore. Which is a shame. However, I think we will have to do with him and RVP up top next season.}

02 May 2015 23:31:38
I am a huge fan of Rooney, but at this point in his career, he is not a world class #9 or #10. Three of our biggest names - Rooney, Van Persie, Falcao - all play the same position. LVG tried Rooney behind the other two with the diamond midfield, but it did not work, mainly due to their lack of pace. Rooney is also not dynamic enough as a center mid. His passing creativity is limited, he opts for the big switch to the right far too often. He has some great qualities - his work rate, finishing, arriving in the box - but when it comes down to it, he is a striker.

02 May 2015 23:33:08
I'm hardly Rooney's biggest fan, but the team isn't being built around him. The team is being built around a philosophy of possession football. This works well if you have top class passers in the middle and threatening players cutting in from the wing. The fact of the matter is that Carrick was the real focal point when we were playing well. Without him we have no base for our attacks, and just don't move the ball quickly enough.

Part of this is due to lack of depth in the squad, and players not performing. But big questions need to be asked when the big tactical move at halftime is to put Fellaini up top and hope he knocks it down to RVP or Rooney. Our performance in the second half was pathetic. No clear shape or clear idea how to break down an average side. How RVP stayed on (as a midfielder?) for the full 90 is beyond me. It was obvious to everyone that Mata should have been moved central and another winger brought on to give us some real width on the right to stretch them, but that would have been a bit too simple.

03 May 2015 00:02:09
Ed004 rvp should have gone last season when he through his toys out of the pram once a great player but not any more rooney as well fergie in his younger days would have booted them both out the door that is what we need now

{Ed004's Note - I agree that both should have been replaced by now. However, I think we have other priorities to address this summer and we haven't been linked to many strikers. I am also struggling to think what striker would suit our current formation. RVP in his prime would and there were signs today that he could regain some (probably not all) of his previous form. He looked very sharp first half and even in the second half he was the only one looking to play directly through the middle (his pass to Mata was brilliant)}

02 May 2015 23:49:45
Although I don't for one second feel the result today was Rooney's fault. I agree that he is not the answer to the riddle of how do yo rebuild this Manchester United side. Sir Alex in his final season saw fit to drop Rooney in our biggest game of the season as he felt other players in the squad would provide more.

Rooney isn't and never will be a top class central midfielder, he can against certain teams play effectively there. He is best suited to being played as a striker, but the dilemma here is he isn't world class anymore. Whether that is because he has been shifted from pillar to post throughout his career which has stopped him hitting the heights expected of him is another matter altogether.

But ask yourself this would you play Rooney as a midfielder ahead of Schweinsteiger, Thiago, Alonso, Modric, Kroos, Xavi, Carrick, Busquets or Vidal? No because there are soooo many better midfielders out there than how Rooney can play in midfield.

Would you play Rooney as a striker ahead of the likes of Lewandowski, Cavani, Benzema, Suarez, Costa or Aguero? Probably not as they are better and more consistent strikers than him.

Would you play Rooney as a winger ahead of the likes of Ronaldo, Bale, Hazard ect, again no.

He is good in many positions but a master of none. And that is the problem, when you build your team around a player who does not excel in any position then you can hardly expect your team to excel.

Rooney needs to either move on or accept a role as chief substitute, The guy who can come on and cover for anyone but wouldn't start ahead of them most weeks.

Rooney has been a great player for our club and will still likely be the all time leading goalscorer, you can't manage that if your a bad player. But he is 30 next season and is no longer world class in any position, if we want to be a world class team then we need to have world class players in every position. And that just isn't Wayne anymore. Time for us to move on.

{Ed004's Note - Top, top post. Agreed with every part of your argument. Gonna have to make sure Bond reads this. I reckon Rooney will be safe for one more season. We have too many positions that need strengthened this summer and I can't think of any top strikers available. I reckon it should be RVP and Rooney competing for one striker position next season with Rooney covering other positions if there are injuries. We should learn from the mistakes liverpool are making with Gerrard}

02 May 2015 23:49:45
Although I don't for one second feel the result today was Rooney's fault. I agree that he is not the answer to the riddle of how do yo rebuild this Manchester United side. Sir Alex in his final season saw fit to drop Rooney in our biggest game of the season as he felt other players in the squad would provide more.

Rooney isn't and never will be a top class central midfielder, he can against certain teams play effectively there. He is best suited to being played as a striker, but the dilemma here is he isn't world class anymore. Whether that is because he has been shifted from pillar to post throughout his career which has stopped him hitting the heights expected of him is another matter altogether.

But ask yourself this would you play Rooney as a midfielder ahead of Schweinsteiger, Thiago, Alonso, Modric, Kroos, Xavi, Carrick, Busquets or Vidal? No because there are soooo many better midfielders out there than how Rooney can play in midfield.

Would you play Rooney as a striker ahead of the likes of Lewandowski, Cavani, Benzema, Suarez, Costa or Aguero? Probably not as they are better and more consistent strikers than him.

Would you play Rooney as a winger ahead of the likes of Ronaldo, Bale, Hazard ect, again no.

He is good in many positions but a master of none. And that is the problem, when you build your team around a player who does not excel in any position then you can hardly expect your team to excel.

Rooney needs to either move on or accept a role as chief substitute, The guy who can come on and cover for anyone but wouldn't start ahead of them most weeks.

Rooney has been a great player for our club and will still likely be the all time leading goalscorer, you can't manage that if your a bad player. But he is 30 next season and is no longer world class in any position, if we want to be a world class team then we need to have world class players in every position. And that just isn't Wayne anymore. Time for us to move on.

03 May 2015 00:29:34
Deeps does this make you a "fan boi" of rooney? And whos taking pot shots? I never onced blamed rooney for anything so calm your little self down sonshine. I stated the evolution of the team is being held back because rooneys place is cemented on, does he pick himself deeps? Another empty headed response from the anti LVG brigade *yawns* no plan B? Did he not bring on 2 attacking players for 2 defenders? Were positions not adjusted? The FACT of the matter is there is zero goal threat it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Your complaints about rooney playing in CM is for the exact reasons i am stating he will not leave him out of the team and other more suited players get moved around or dropped to accommodate. When was rooneys last goal? Spurs! he's played CF since maybe Sunderland I think, not exactly set the world alight "in position" either.

03 May 2015 00:40:01
Spot on Shappy exactly what I was saying but in a lot less words ha brilliant detail there mate

03 May 2015 00:48:05
Agree shappy great player yes he andvan persie but a younger fergie with there antics would have booted them both out the door and we would haveto rebuild I just hope van gaal dose not keep van persie on sentiment he needs to be ruthless at theend of the season

03 May 2015 05:43:24
Ya right! May be there was some white text somewhere in there your post Clarity. You clearly blamed Rooney and the team being built around him. So don't contradict yourself by saying "I never for once . ". By the way it is Carrick's absence more than anything else that is hurting us. We had to change our formation to accommodate Persie and a blind man and his dog can tell you who has been a better striker this season. But I presume you have a soft one for Persie considering you love LVG. Wayne ain't world class in midfield, that is true, but he had done enough to keep his position as a forward. By the way "yawn" , "sunshine" etc, very smart banter. Are you LVG by any chance? He looks empty headed to me when the going gets tough you know.

Deeps.

03 May 2015 07:36:27
It was our midfield with carrick that papered over the cracks with mata,hererra and fellaini doing well in the scoring dept. Now with carrick gone and rooney in midfield, we're clueless.
I would rather have a youngster play midfield than rooney.

{Ed025's Note - hes still your best player IMBS, im sure some will disagree mate but when he does,nt perform neither do united..

03 May 2015 07:49:05
Hypothetical solution Lukaku gets sold to Wolfsburg and they buy Rooney!

{Ed025's Note - or everton swap lukaku for rooney and also receive £10m?, good for both clubs UR..

03 May 2015 07:54:04
Has he? 4 goals in 12 games. Had Falcao played every game this season he'd have doubled Rooneys tally without penalties instead of getting the odd game when we have makeshift team out. Rooney and RVP are a joke they're on the same money as Ronaldo and Messi .

03 May 2015 09:12:20
i don't think carrick is our best player ED25. But he is a vital cog without whom the machine stops working. Much like xavi wasnt barca's best player at any point but was the vital cog.

{Ed025's Note - very true IMBS, wazza is your best player mate..

03 May 2015 13:23:08
Deeps

If you wasnt so sensitive about criticism of rooney u would see my post is more negative towards LVG as he is the one who insists on picking him regardless.







 

 

 
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