02 May 2015 20:08:54
Both Chelsea and Everton we looked brilliant for the first 30 minutes. They then figured us out (or scored) and we didn't know what to do, basically any team that stops attacking and camps will believe they can either draw or beat us, justifiably.
Even the penalty didn't come from a clear cut chance and Myhil was only seriously tested once aside from that.
RVP did look sharp today, but again we could have Pele upfront and it wouldn't matter. It's all too safe safe safe and has been all season.
Win, Lose or Draw - I just don't want to be more entertained by You've Been Framed whilst my team are playing, (Mrs watching on TV in background).
I look forward all week to these 90mins and when i see what I have for 30 of the 35 league games there is a serious problem. Throw in the cup games which were seriously bad and I just can't wait for this season to be over.
Hopefully LVG will get the Klop!
02 May 2015 20:32:32
I don't think anyone saw these results coming after the run we had against Spurs, Liv and City.
80% possession is of no use if you don't do anything with the ball. I agree we have stopped taking risks.
I had pointed out that we have stopped taking shots from outside the box and although there were few shots from outside the box we have by and large stopped shooting from distance and I think that is because LvG thinks that it might lead to loss of possession. But that is the only option when you lack penetration.
As you said we all look forward to these 90 mins and then end of getting disappointed. I will never support sacking a manager in his 1st season but every time I see LvG stuck to the seat when we are trailing I just feel like taking a horn speaker and yelling right in his ear.
02 May 2015 20:34:37
I don't think sacking the manager will happen, simply because the players seem to like working under LVG. Also, sacking the manager will basically put us back to square one: The players have to learn a new system and way of playing all over again. The team needs better more experienced players. It is a simple as that IMO.
I do fear that the faction within the club who might want to see the back of LVG will become vocal again.
I just hope we can get it together and beat Palace. A win for Chelsea against the dippers next week - plus a slip from spurs - will secure us 4th place if we beat Palace. So it isn't that bad, although it feels pretty bad now.
02 May 2015 20:39:15
Beast,
Do you not think it's just another challenge LVG has to get through? At the start it was all about giving the players more confidence, work on ball retention and make them feel like they can win again, teams were coming to old Trafford believing they could win after last seasons shambles.
Now teams are coming to old Trafford thinking they can get men behind the ball and we struggle to break them down, it is a different issue and one that took fergie a while to master as you have to play slightly differently. We look better against the top teams because they don't just defend but we struggle to break teams down as we have not really been used to teams doing that to us until recently. West brom came for a 0-0 draw and got a 1-0 win, it was not good enough but you could see where the issues were and what needed fixing.
You are calling for lvg to be sacked again, it's a little embarrassing.
02 May 2015 21:31:43
Of course its a challenge GDS2, but he keeps making the same decisions.
I am not embarrassed to be calling for him to be moved on. I thought things had clicked, but the past 3 games have been back to the same old routine. Slow, rigid and hoping for a goal rather than taking a game by the scruff of the neck.
The pace we played at first half against Liverpool feels like a lifetime ago!
When/if he figures out how to actually attack at pace and have men forward to receive the ball rather than 5 midfielders in a line passing it side to side and backwards - no doubt there will be another problem for him to solve. The guy simply isn't good enough to manage a team like us, he is too stuck in his ways and is too proud to change things as it shows he made a mistake.
It's perfectly fair to say that I think the job is beyond him and he isn't learning from mistakes - he simply doesn't want to adapt because he doesn't think he should have to.
02 May 2015 21:32:37
I think Klop would be a far better alternative who is potentially available, that is also why it makes good sense to sack him this summer.
02 May 2015 21:35:31
Gds you say it took fergie a while as not lvg been around as long as fergie
02 May 2015 22:18:32
I never thought i'd say it and i I've read many posts by you and shook my head, but beast you've been right all along in my view.
Carrick has papered over so many cracks while he was back its unreal.
02 May 2015 22:40:21
Dazw, not in the premier league mate. Suppose can make your argument to slag off LVG suit though. Beast was right all along because we lost a game we should have won, of course he was.
02 May 2015 23:00:03
To be fair, GDS, we have lost three games we probably should not have lost, but we lost them nevertheless. Now, the pressure has been cranked up 10 fold because of today result.
The worst thing is, I can't see us winning unless Carrick is back in the side. We look so unbalanced at the moment because of his absence; and that is worrying. But worst of all, we don't look like scoring. We never created any clear cut opening today. We had a lot of half chances and their keeper pulled off a couple of top saves, but we never really had them on the back foot at anytime.
I don't care how we get over the line now. We just need to get over it and put this season behind us.
02 May 2015 23:06:20
Gds not trying to make a point as you say just saying he has been around as long as fergie and no matter what league with his experiance should have a plan b and were did I slag him off you are just making it to suit your argument with beast
03 May 2015 00:10:38
Oh and gds we lost three on the spin not one and how we are playing we might not get fourth as everybody said in a poor league
03 May 2015 02:30:35
Pretty sure we will still get 4th, the overreaction to a defeat on here is crazy.
03 May 2015 10:21:37
That would be defeated in 3 games (in a row) which puts the pressure right back on us, what if our next 3 games turn out to be just like the last 3.
It ain't an over-reaction, its a reality.