28 Mar 2015 09:15:36
I think the rise in form of Harry Kane and to an extent I would say Paddy McNair.
Kane was always good for Spurs from 18s to 21s, but you never looked at him in a light that you would think he is where he is now, and although McNair hasn't had success to his level, I think everyone who has followed the youth players over the last few years would say McNair wasn't even a guaranteed starter.
I think more youth players need a chance to come into training with the first teams, because these two have shone that playing with better players has made tuem better.
We always give chances to the "stars" of the youth teams, and it almost always turns out to be a case of big fish, small pond. and when they make the step up they are nowhere to be seen.
Obviously there are cases such as Pogba, but the majority don't have his success.
Any thoughts?
28 Mar 2015 09:40:31
Competition is the problem. I am confident Wilson would have kicked on, but do you gamble on Wilson over RVP, Falcao and Rooney, what do you say to those players on £200k+ a week? You simply can't risk it as the league is too competitive. For all the praise of McNair, how many games has he really played for the first team out of choice, in fact how many games full stop and in the position he will play in?
Kane, Sterling, even Ibe have done well because the other options for the clubs in question are very limited, look at Zaha recently, instead we have Mata out wide who has done great, but kind of is more suitable to the middle. Also Europa league helped Kane, he wasn't in contention until he started pulling up trees in that competition. I am confident we would have seen progression from Januzaj, Wilson, McNair and even Perreira had we had more cup matches and Europe.
This season is a write off for me, limited if any youth progression (McNair isn't a RB), and Januzaj, Wilson, Blackett, Perriera and others have hardly had a kick, despite all the injuries and praise LVG gets for blooding youth. Due to his poor start he ruined the year for the youth in my view and wasn't helped by the lack of Europe.
I wrote a long post about this around 3 months ago, the youth development should be left to other clubs, because we end up ruining players 9/10 times at the top level due to the strength of squads and competitiveness. Too much money at the real top.
28 Mar 2015 11:22:05
Let's all blame LvG for bk Europe too. Yehhh LvG has ruined our youth players. Bore
28 Mar 2015 12:47:48
Beast we all get your obvious disdain for our manager but geez do u have to turn everything into a bashing of the manager?
This topic is a wider issue than just United yet all your replies seem to do is find a way to bash the manager and push again ure OPINION of him.
This season is a write off? Why?
But I'm sure u will find some way of turning it into another lvg bashing post.
After all we have been blessed in recent seasons with the constant carousel of top draw youth we have bought through.
28 Mar 2015 15:12:31
I'm saying that youth haven't had a chance, they don't get a chance with City or Chelsea either because the league is too competitive.
I don't think our youth have played enough games this season for a lot of reasons. LVG hasn't played them when left with a choice because we have so few games and he can't risk it. Therefore we shouldn't bother with youth and just buy payers that are ready.
Why don't you stop picking and choosing what parts of my posts you respond to and look at it as a whole.
How the hell am I blaming LVG for no Europe this season?
This season is a write off because we have only just found a system, we are out of all cups and can't win the league. What exactly is there to play for? wait there top 4, Arsenal fans alert we are nicking their goals.
No youth development, Shaw, ADM, Falcao may as well not have signed. Our players have all got a year older and we don't look like we have progressed. Fair points I think.
28 Mar 2015 16:04:27
Maybe the fact there simply not good enough to get first team action is the reason they don't get a game
Its different at the lower end teams because they don't have the same calibre of players to fight against for a position
28 Mar 2015 17:05:09
Beast we haven't just stumbled into a system. 433 was the plan all along. It couldn't be implemented at the start as it would have been a mess. The philosophy had to take hold first. We only played 3 at the back to help bed in some of the philosophy.
I think lvg turned up and had a shock at how far behind the rest of Europe the English game and English players are. Its taken most of the season to teach basics to seasoned professionals.
Wait till this time next season. By the way did you see his comments on how he could extend his contract and manage us for 5 years?
As for Kane there's as much chance of him being a one season wonder as there is of him being the new shearer.
28 Mar 2015 17:30:41
5 years, oh my God I need to break this to the Mrs carefully or it could be carnage in the Beast lair!
Seriously though, if he has us playing with the tempo of the last two games I won't mind, its the other 30 odd games this season and his odd decisions that have me against him.
I rate Kane, he is a different level to Ings, Berahino and Austin imo, who I think all have a bit of Benteke syndrome connected to them.
I would love us to replace RVP & Falcao with Kane.
28 Mar 2015 20:00:30
The season is no a write off for me because we could quite possibly finish 2nd and archive out main target of getting champions league football again. If I said at the start of the season we would finish above City, arsenal and Liverpool would you have believed that considering the mess we were in last year, and a new manager? If we don't qualify for CL then it's a write off!
28 Mar 2015 23:36:10
Very selective readers here beast I hear you. In terms of youth though I agree with you about the league being too competitive to throw them in as their is massive amounts of money at stake depending on final league placings etc. It would have been too much of a risk for LVG to rely heavily on youth, I get that.
What I will say though is that I look at Liverpool for example and see the likes of Flanagan, Sterling and Ibe get the go ahead to continue if they are in good form despite more experienced players returning to full fitness etc. During our spell of '50 injuries' when if you believe what you read on here we had 50 casualties at the same time, Paddy McNair may have been our best defender yet when others returned he was dropped. A case could also be made for Wilson to get more time due to RVP and Falcao not firing.
Lastly Januzaj has been hugely marginalised this season and I feel the manager is asking too much of him too soon. He is an exciting prospect and I would hate to lose him. I feel LVG should be saying to him 'go out play your natural game but keep your head up' and then tweak his play week to week to make him better. Instead I see a lad on the pitch who's head is full of conundrums, 'should I dribble', 'am I holding the ball too long', 'am I pushing too far forward', 'should I push across or stay wide'. All these types of thoughts are running through Januzaj's head before he even gets on the ball. LVG cannot treat all young players as a Thomas Muller because quite frankly some are not as intelligent.
29 Mar 2015 12:36:03
If we had gone with players like mcnair and Wilson for prolonged periods, even with others back fit, and dropped points guess who would be on here moaning, shouting he doesn't know what he's doing.
Cant win with some people.
Next year with more games, no more cup horror shows, and a balanced settled side there should be chances for the young players.
29 Mar 2015 13:52:41
MrE,
It's laughable isn't it, when we played the kids and weren't good enough these two were moaning, now we are playing well without them he's not playing the kids.
It is 100% obvious that beast and JMB would come on here if we won the league and say the manager fluked it and we won it despite him not because of him, and he didn't play enough kids and probably only picked the team because he saw it on here on the team pages. Getting beyond a joke some of the posts to be honest.
29 Mar 2015 14:21:07
Yes GDS that is exactly what we would say. You have just made the most moronic statment I have ever seen. What did I really post that on my previous post that in any way shape or form is slating the manager?
Yes I said I would have liked to see more youth involvement and that Januzaj could do with some personal touches from the coaching staff to improve but my first paragraph clearly states I understand why the manager hasn't used much youth this year.
Again mate very selective in what you read.
29 Mar 2015 16:55:25
Like how the ones you use as an example are Sterling ( just won best young player) and one of their best players, of course he will start, and Flanagan who has hardly played this year but if you have glen Johnson RB you have nothing to lose. What about the other young players at Liverpool not getting a look in, or Chelsea, or City, who have they blooded in this season? No one. Wilson's had minutes, McNair has had minutes as has janazaj and hasn't been up to it. They will get game time in the cups next year but don't u think this season with 4th vital it's not right time to mess about playing 18 year olds??
30 Mar 2015 00:24:16
Stand united. READ MY FIRST PARAGRAPH not just the parts of the posts you want to have a go at.