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26 Mar 2015 13:52:22
You really think we could push for the title after last season with the squad left in the state it was in? torn apart by fuedes and bad memories of the season before, LVG came into a new league, a new culture and a new style (after being in international management for so long) he was greeted by most with open arms but straight away got off to a bad bad start, mostly down to injuries, if you look back at some of the players we had injured earlier in the season its a miracle we are where we are (JUST 2 POINT OFF 2nd). 4th is realistic, yes we spent 100's of millions but its called a rebuild, look at chelsea in their transition, didn't they finish 6th? Yes they parked their way to the UCL final but LVG didn't have that opportunity. Hows about we wait until the end of the season and see where we finish to judge how good/bad LVG has done. Because for me, he's found his feet, we played well but conceded a load early on, then we shored up the back but didn't create any chances, then we went unbeaten for what was it? 16 games? But the football was bad, and now we're playing great football and we just beat the argubly 2 most in form teams in the league.

26 Mar 2015 14:03:46
How did Jose get on in his first year at Chelsea then? I am guessing from your post he won the league by 10 points and demolished every team in their way. Oh hang on, they came 3rd, pretty similar to where we are.

You are banging the same drum over and over again, you know people disagree with you but instead of listening to their point of view you say the exact same thing again.

We get you don't think the team was depleted, we get you somehow thought we were going to suddenly just come good this year and win the league despite it being ridiculous to suggest so.

I think the target of 4th is the aim because looking at it objectively that was where we realistically were going to be challenging for this season, LVG has also said getting into the Champions League THIS SEASON is what is important.

You are acting like people are coming on here and saying 'we are Manchester United, we should be finishing 4th every season and then we will all celebrate', but that is not the case. Every united fan wants us back at the top and challenging for the major honours, but people who have a little common sense have realised that it would have been a massive step to do that in one season, and that the step this year back to greatness was to cement our place back as a champions league side, and then go for it next season.

Maybe in the summer LVG will employ you as his assistant and get rid of Giggs, you will be able to tell him what formation he needs to play and exactly which player should play where and we won't lose a game ;)

26 Mar 2015 14:12:16
We have decent squad no doubting that, however hen LVG arrived they were devoid of all confidence and there were 50 injuries to contend with. Jose did not win the league at first attempt after his return did he?
LVG is trying to implement a new style and a whole new culture, he had a shortened pre seaso 7 new signings to integrate, a new system and culture and a squad ravaged by injuries and devoid of confience, are you suggesting he should have come with a magic wand and fixed everything in 6 weeks without knowing the players theirsonality and furthermre the league play a football which is alien to any european proper football coach.
There is a huge amnount of niaviety in a lot of posters who think that all should be ok because we splashed some cash. it took city years and chelsea years to initially to turn things around.
The squad has taken its time to adapt to the new culture and system and that ok it was always going to take some time.
However LVG has found a way to keep winning and remain competitive after the initial poor 8 games while he waited for the penny to drop with the majority of the players. now he is only waiting for the minority to undersand his system and vision hence why he stuck with blind because he was brought up on the system so was crucial. The system requires the full team acting as 1 and the team were not doing that as a few people like herrera and di maria were not doing as instructed. the penny has dropped for herrera but not yet for di maria. But it will. Patience is the key.

26 Mar 2015 14:35:44
JMB you want to know the "mess" LVG is sorting out, it is called rebuilding a football team, google it if u don't understand it. It is a process that takes a bit more than 9 months u seem to be giving him.

U think this utd team compares with city or chelsea, seriously i mean u really think our team is close to chelsea or city right know, Then i ask u a simple question
How many utd players will get in the chelsea or city team and vice versa,

U say why our target should be 4th place, well the answer is it isn't, the target always was CL qualification be it as 2nd 3rd or 4th and the reason it isn't is not LVG's fault it was Moyes's fault even more it was fergie's fault if fergie had left behind a team with defenders who could actually defend or a midfield which did not include cleverley and anderson as u r 2nd and 3rd choice midefeilders or wingers whose crosses could beat the first man, we would not be having this discussion.

I don't like blaming SAF for most our current maladies but he has more hand in it than either moyes or LVG, u and Beast keep talking about LVG being a failure. How do u base that becase i see the table and i not only see 4th position i see 1 point off 3rd and 2 off 2nd with teams in these poitions still to come to OT, so is possibility of finishing 2nd a failure too?

26 Mar 2015 16:01:45
I think some of us have short memories. I haven't fired up my spreadsheet but of the 100 entries in the top 4 competition, pretty much everyone had us in the top 4, most had us higher and a reasonable number had us winning the League. I didn't expect us to be scrabbling for 4th at this stage. We all know it is a rebuilding job but it is only in the last 2 games we have looked like a proper team, the rest of the season has been somewhat frustrating.

26 Mar 2015 16:19:50
AJH, that may be true but I think several of us maybe managed to get ahead of ourselves and started to believe the hype built up with our summer signings. If we had to make our predictions before a single player was signed I think those predictions would be quite different. Also several of us had Southampton down as relegation candidates too, so that shows what we know. lol.

There was a time we believed we had a great team when Sir Alex won our last title. In the cold light of day we can see just how much of an achievement that was.

Top four was the minimum requirement, but our target was to finish as high as possible. I think we maybe need to leave all the analysis until the final day of the season. As our views and opinions have changed more often than the weather. Atm we look like a good team, let's just enjoy the moment and leave the analysis until the end of the season.

26 Mar 2015 16:20:24
were "scrabbling" for 2nd not 4th

26 Mar 2015 16:24:45
Last time you did an update I think I was either 2nd or 3rd, do an update please :)

26 Mar 2015 16:52:16
I know now that many of us united fans are nothing more than spoiled little brats constantly throwing our toys out the prams because the tea wasn't warm enough or we got the wrong color crayon on a Thursday. It was stated at the beginning of the season that the objective was to get UCL qualifications. Why? well obviously we didn't get it last season, and that has it's fair share of financial implications, along with the issue of potential targets turning us down due to no UCL action. Makes sense? ok.

I can't believe people are complaining. "oh this is MUFC we should not be aiming for fourth we should be winning the title." Yeah, well news flash, other teams are doing just that as well, and they have all been better prepared for it. I wonder if we think that we are entitled to be champions once we say we are aiming for it (in this case LVG a few months ago)? Get a grip y'all. Other teams spend money, and have been in a rebuilding mode for a while. We have no divine right or claim to anything.When it seemed we weren't getting anywhere near fourth, we begged and hoped for that spot. Now it seems we are likely to seal atleast that, we are moaning again that we should be winning? Ok, I love winning too, but after last season, we first needed to steady the ship before setting sail again.
This place is filled with 'hindsight' football managers. I might not agree with many things LVG has done this season, but there are a few managers who would gladly take his accomplishments this season. 4th place and 2 points off 2nd, and on good form to boot. If LVG wins the next 10 games, player better than the last 2, then he will be criticized for not having a red enough nose.

26 Mar 2015 17:49:20
I firmly believe the club, the manager, players and fans expected both better football and a better fight for the title this season. We can sugar coat it all we want with this top 4 rubbish (Boardroom target not the players or managers).

2 good performances (long overdue) have changed a great many minds, but in the cold light of day this season goes down as a missed opportunity for me.

The team we fielded and the way we played recently could have virtually been the same from September. Bad management is written all over it, good corrective abilities hands down, but he hasn't played his hand well. Surely people have to admit he could have done a lot better, especially considering our best players haven't turned up for most of the season (why?)!

Did LVG offer not to take a wage whilst he learnt the basics of management? If I hire a manager I don't expect him to be learning the role from fresh, I expect them to be able to pick it up quickly and apply skill. Not have a 7 month sabbatical whilst picking up ludicrous wages and blowing shed loads on projects you don't even need!

26 Mar 2015 18:12:13
I would just like to point out that the season isn't over yet. It sounds like most of you have given up and accepted 4th place.

I can't be 100% certain but I'd be willing to bet that LVG and the team haven't.

Don't bite me, just a little food for thought.

26 Mar 2015 19:19:19
In life, expectations (unfortunately) are not always met. For whatever reason. What is important is that you learn from your mistakes and pick up the pieces. That's what I see happening now, so even tho the situation in it's entirety isn't ideal, it's good to know that even when we were very poor, we did enough to be in a good position when on form - and that's what is happening now (if the last two games are anything to go by).
Like I said, hindsight management dictates that we should be playing the same team from September. but who said it would have worked? Couldn't it have been that they finally got some things right in training?

2 games have not changed my mind, but it definitely has made me optimistic, and makes me want to cheer the team on for the rest of the season instead of constantly whining about spilled milk.

26 Mar 2015 19:42:54
Let's give the manager job to Beast and assistant to jmb and see where they get us?
If Giggs had got the job, we will be struggling in mid table. So who else did beast or jmb want if not lvg?

27 Mar 2015 01:09:18
Nomid - lol we would be playing doncaster before u know it !!

27 Mar 2015 06:49:50
Mourinho would have challenged or won the league with this team

27 Mar 2015 09:06:15
Like he did last year with his Chelsea team?

27 Mar 2015 10:00:31
Our team is better than last years Chelsea team.

27 Mar 2015 10:29:34
I think that concludes how far off the mark JMB is GDS2

Cech
Cole
Azpillicueta
Terry
Luiz
Cahill
Ivanovich
Oscar
Schurrle
Willian
Lampard
Matic
Ramires
Hazard
Ba
Eto
Torres

give up while your behind JMB your making urself look silly

27 Mar 2015 11:19:31
Clarity,

Give Mourinho that team and he would definitely win the league!

27 Mar 2015 11:38:36
you would think so GDS2 haha must have been the CL football that hindered their campaign. or so some would have you think





 

 

 
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