10 Mar 2015 10:56:11
I have seen every game this season and this morning has left me feeling as low as I can remember feeling for a long, long time about this club and state of things on the pitch.
I can't understand this "philosophy" that is spoke about, nor the peculiar tactics and substitutions that LvG does.
People keep asking me, over and over again. What is wrong with Man United?
And I really don't know how to put my finger on it, without slating Van Gaal. So would anyone else like to answer.
Sam
10 Mar 2015 12:01:02
The manager not knowing his best side isn't helping.
Mata should have played yesterday IMO.
10 Mar 2015 12:06:36
Sam
Start by researching the transition from Busby to McGuiness and then consider how the SAF transition was handled, players allowed to age, insufficient investment, poor handover and a new CEO having to step in at the same time as SAF left, disastrous planning. Add the effect of appointing the wrong manager compounding it by potentially getting it wrong a second time. The players are shell shocked and confidence is low. With years to prepare for SAF's retirement the club spectacularly got it wrong and now we are paying the price.
LvG is taking everyone's anger and those half time substitutions and team selections didn't impress me last night but it is the sum of all the above olus Woodwards over confidence that has created a perfect storm
10 Mar 2015 12:35:14
Good response Redman, I often struggle to pinpoint the issue. Each game that passes I think right the next one, we are going to batter someone. However each game delivers new lows of disappointment. I am going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that LVG's management style and tactics are 20 years out of date. I think that the Premier League, the pace, the way football is played in this country has taken him by surprise and his naivety is showing through in abundance. Everyone refers to his past, his CV, but English football is a different beast. Just look at the players that failed here for the reasons mentioned above, Veron, Shevchenko etc.
10 Mar 2015 12:37:39
As low as you can remember for a long long time? Did you not watch last season then? We was beaten by a mistake to an in form Arsenal stop over exaggerating
10 Mar 2015 13:32:46
yes clarity, but looking at our next 6 fixtures, we could potentially finish worse than last season. anyone who doesn't see it is very blinkered. I hate being dramatic, and negative, but reality is kicking in. game by game
10 Mar 2015 13:43:00
Redman
Strange thing is all them issues /excuses maybe wouldn't be relevant with a better manager
10 Mar 2015 14:06:25
I'm afraid we've gone down exactly the same route as the end of the Busby era. A fantastic manager retiring and choosing the next manager ( Mcguiness, a good man but out of his depth) and then various managers not good enough. Similarly, the greatest manager in the modern game choosing Moyes, another decent man but also out of his depth with Utd.
For me, the only candidate with the ego big enough not to have been daunted by the size of the job, would have been Mourinho. We'd probably be top now, still in the champions league and hated even more! However, that ship sailed long ago so we must look forward. I realise that it's going to take longer than a lot of younger fans expect to get us challenging for the title again but as long as I can see gradual progress in the team I am happy for anyone in charge to be given time. But I cannot really see much of this under Lvg considering the money spent, and it's this that concerns me. People who say we can't sack managers never watched Utd under Mcguiness, Ofarrell, Sexton etc Sometimes it has to be done. I think there must be someone better out there, who would you like?
10 Mar 2015 14:10:31
So your low point is based on what potentially could happen for the rest of the season if we lose every game?
But last seasons reality was a higher point?
10 Mar 2015 14:25:25
I don't blame the manager at all. Yes, he could have done things differently and maybe got better results as a consequence, but I keep alluding to the fact that he must be under a lot of pressure to get us in the top four; and that pressure is having an influence on team selection IMO. He seems hesitant to play an offensive minded set-up and allow the players the freedom to express themselves, because, IMO, he doesn't believe we are strong enough defensively to be so open in our play. That is my opinion anyway.
Yesterday's game was lost because of poor individual errors. Our general play in the first half was very good, and we looked the stronger side.
We don't look miles away from Arsenal. In fact, on another day, we could have won that game comfortably.
Sunday is now massive for the season. A good result against Spurs is a must.
10 Mar 2015 15:21:35
Jred
All those issues may have been avoided if we had appointed a top manager to replace SAF . We didn't which made them all relevant
10 Mar 2015 15:48:00
Redman
Many people seem to think lvg is a top coach
10 Mar 2015 15:53:14
You hit the nail on the head, Red Man.
10 Mar 2015 16:10:56
Jred,
LVG wasn't appointed last season though. If he were, we would have done a lot better IMO.
10 Mar 2015 16:30:27
Sam
How can u know that ?
10 Mar 2015 18:35:47
Jred
You can't know in complete certainty however this year, whilst the football isn't great the players are playing for LvG, we are beating Newcastle not making it difficult for them, we aren't rolling over and taking the club from Champions to a complete embarrassment.
In my opinion LvG would have done a better job if he had replaced SAF but not as good as Mourinho who we should have moved heaven and earth for at the time.
10 Mar 2015 18:53:44
He doesn't jred but there have been a lot of 'I thinks' that have turned into 'I knows' lately on this page mate. He's hardly in a exclusive club is he lol
10 Mar 2015 19:45:54
We had a good spend in the summer i'm sure di maria herrera shaw and co would of made a difference last season.
Taking over from moyes and not fergy must of been a bonus for lvg .
No European football .
Yet out both cups struggled against some poor teams .
4th place is going to be tight.
Yer i'm sure on that evidence lvg woild of done great last season .
Lvg can do no wrong
10 Mar 2015 21:41:41
Jred
"Taking over from moyes and not fergy must of been a bonus for lvg "
A bonus, taking over a broken club with shattered players demoted from Champions to mid table mediocrity, rather than the fully confident Champions?
Lvg can do no wrong"
No one is saying that, he has made errors including last night but there are many factors why we are so poor and the dreadful transition including who we initially appointed is a major part of it.
11 Mar 2015 08:13:47
Redman
You have argued and preached long and hard about the difficulties of taking over from fergy, seems that would be easy now .
Poor lvg has it much harder .
Lol when fergy was leaving everyone was aware it was a near impossible job to replace him and would be better to be the second manager.
A point you raised many times . Until you went in to defend lvg mode .
The team fergy left had got old had been under invested in and needed rebuilt, again a point you argued until you started your "moyes can do no right, lvg no wrong "
As always you hypocrisy on this subject is shocking
11 Mar 2015 10:26:42
Jred
Tell me where I said LvG can do no wrong?
A top manager properly transitioned into the role after SAF would without doubt have made a better job of it than what actually happened.
11 Mar 2015 14:05:56
Redman
So we just need a top manager .
O wait i forgot about your boy lvg .
Who after adding 6 players has us 5 points better off
11 Mar 2015 18:36:04
Jred
We needed a top manager to replace SAF, we appointed a failure and are paying a high price.
"Forgot about your boy LvG", obviously you haven't read my posts and just assumed my position to suit your argument. To repeat myself, again, I was in the Mourinho camp to replace SAF, and the Klopp camp to replace the failure. LvG would not have been in my top 5, the failure would not have been in my top 50. It was tough following SAF but the mess the failure left gave LvG a very poor position to start with.
I am no LvG fan but I can see the utter mess the failure left him with, LvG is not doing great things and I was annoyed with selection and half time substitutions on Monday but the hate on here for LvG is not taking enough of the mess he inherited into account
What is it with this comparing points, did we bother how many points we had the previous season when we won the league, it is where we finish not how many points that is the judgement.