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03 Mar 2015 10:21:43
Seen a lot of speculation on here of posters who want us to sign up players like Memphis Depay and Paulo Dybala. If I'm being completely honest I have seen both sparingly over the past year, the latter a little more due to the World Cup, but I have to say I'm not fully convinced on either at the moment.

I am not saying both do not have ability but I would like to think we would be pinning our hopes of restoring glory on more experienced and proven players rather than youngsters.

If for instance Depay was signed as squad player along with an experienced player in a similar position then great but I think the £10million being quoted for him may be closer to the £20million mark in this market. As for Dybala, well for a player yet to make major waves in European football other than a decent half season in a struggling league thus far the price being branded about is ludicrous.

I'm not saying these lads are poor or they don't have ability but I don't think at this moment they are the additions we need. Yes we all know the story of Ronaldo but he took time to get going in a much better team than we have now and is much taller, athletic and powerful than any of those guys will ever be. Like I said I've heard good things but at the moment IMO we need established winners.

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03 Mar 2015 11:03:07
We will be making a mistake by not signing these players now, the value of these players will go up through the roof if they have a great season or two.

We didn't buy Rodrigues when he was available and two year slater he went to madrid for 60 odd mill.

03 Mar 2015 11:09:38
Depay could end up like how Ox is for Arsenal.

Not a proper starter but yet plays enough to not be classified as a bench warmer.

I would argue that the Arsenal move has affected Ox's development and maybe the same could happen to Depay.

But I would not like if someone came in and stole him from under our nose.

03 Mar 2015 11:14:02
So we get a quick fix for a couple of years and then what?? These players go on to be superstars at other clubs and were back to square one.

03 Mar 2015 11:23:52
JMB couldn't agree more. I was saying something similar yesterday. LVG had a problem with no Europe this year, we have a lot of players who have not had nearly enough games, even the injury crisis hasn't helped too much. The last thing we want is to buy yet more "potential" superstars, we need ready made quality, 100% proven at top level. Otherwise we run the risk of under developing players like we have with several of our existing ones this season and in seasons gone by even with a lot more games.

You can obviously strike lucky, but the sophistication and availability of information on players is so high now that you have to pay for potential far more than you used to (Shaw). Ronaldo today would cost £30m not £12m or whatever we paid for him. For every Ronaldo you have 10+ failures where you would be lucky to recoup what you paid and they will be bench warming.

CL is vital, sign players like Depay if we have CL next season as there will be the games, but if not do we want to have Depay pulling strings when our rivals have Hazard, Silva or Sanchez? We need Bale, Robben, Reus out wide for key games not Depay at the moment, (I am guilty of not knowing enough about him to really be saying this, but there is a reason for that I suppose)!

03 Mar 2015 11:47:52
Putting the dutch league to one side for a moment because people always use that as a negative, this kid Depay has scored 1 goal less than harry kane in the europa as a winger. its all well n good saying we need a hazard etc but when chelsea got hazard he was a depay probably not even as impressive and he too played in a rubbish league.

03 Mar 2015 11:50:27
That's exactly my point Beast. I am not saying they are poor players by any means I just can't see the justifications in spending in excess of £50million on players who are not experienced enough to take us where we want to be.

Singh - these lads are already going to be expensive. Bearing in mind the postions that need strengthened would you sanction these deals at the moment?

Rzomcr - it's all well and good saying these players will be 'superstars' but what's to say they aren't? What's to say we spend top dollar on them and they flop? At the moment would you rather Bale and Benzema or Dybala and Depay? Money doesn't grow on trees.

03 Mar 2015 12:13:26
I'd pick the two youngsters, I'm not about papering over the cracks

everyone now wants pogba and he wasnt even playing first team football when juve snatched him up

we tried buying big stars in ADM and Falcao and look how that turned out

I just don't get peoples mentality on here one minute they're saying UTD don't do this and UTD don't do that but then want us to start spending 100's of millions on so called proven stars to keep us ticking over for a couple of years instead of buying the younger players of the future and building solid foundations for years to come the latter is UTD mentality the former is City

03 Mar 2015 12:21:15
Rzomcr - its a good point but I remember Kezman, Alfonso and numerous others prolific in that league. I understand its unfair to blanket everyone as the same because they play in Holland (Fat Ronaldo, Suarez played there so it proves your point). But Hazard was somebody all of Europe were raving about, I had heard of him 20X more than I have Depay before he went to Chelsea - there were many clubs happy paying top dollar.

I'm guessing if we want Depay we would get him without a fight for £20m, probably £15m - that concerns me. Even the likes of Moura we failed to secure. We have been guilty of shopping in the tier below where we should be for quite a while now, fine margins and Depay could be the next Ronaldo, but the logical money would be on him being the next Nani). We already have Januzaj, having another prospect may be one too many in a key area.

This summer will be the most interesting ever for us I imagine. Can't wait.

03 Mar 2015 12:32:22
But in hindsight what would be worse £60m on ADM = flop or £15m on Depay = flop

had anybody heard of Ole being touted around or Ronaldo for that matter?

My point being you can't live in a mentality where you think they could flop because they haven't the credentials of somebody whos played for a bigger club, because there is no guarantee that the people with the higher credentials will live up to them

03 Mar 2015 12:33:22
This summer we splashed the cash but previous to that we have been buying young players with potential .

03 Mar 2015 12:48:48
In the end everyones entitled to their opinions but I firmly believe this kid is going to be a huge talent I actually believe he already is. With 21 goals already this season 15 league and 6 europa, as a winger I don't care what league you're in that's impressive. Add to that his 2 wc goals (equal to the whole of the england squad) as a sub and his nomination for young player of the tournament which he was pipped to by pogba (probably because pogba played more). For me Depay isn't up and coming punt he's here and doing it and he's only going to get better.

03 Mar 2015 13:07:29
I hope you are right mate because I would put money on us buying him this summer.

03 Mar 2015 13:26:57
Depay is a class act in the making. he's been playing in an incredibly strong PSV team but defo pulls his weight. I would also bid for him as agree he is well in his way to being a star.

03 Mar 2015 13:31:53
Whilst I'm not adverse to signing the bales of the world, and indeed would live bale as a last piece in the jigsaw type of signing, how realistic are those type of signings?

We need a big spend this summer to sort out centre back, right back and midfield so I don't think there would be enough left in the pot to go get a Reus this summer. At the same time we need pace upfront and depay for 15-20 would help out. Its all very well saying he isn't a superstar but the potential is there and can guarantee if we didn't sign him and someone else did there would be complaints on here about missing out.

03 Mar 2015 17:00:34
It's not like our experienced, proven winners are helping us all that much in attack? RvP, Rooney (not as much), Mata, Falcao and Di Maria have all been below par. What we need is experience in the back line and a couple of young forwards that are energetic, dynamic and have pace. I'd welcome players such as Depay and Dybala. We're United and we should stick with our tradition of bringing in young players with bags of potential.

Has Di Maria alone not given proof that spending a lot of money on a proven world class player does not always pay off? Young unproven players wanting to make a name for themselves are much more likely to show desire on the pitch.

03 Mar 2015 18:42:41
Ozwald - Fair points of course, but its a risk reward thing. We need a winger, if we are buying one would you it rather be potential or proven? I know its always a lottery but less chance of Bale or Robben being a flop than Depay. We have spent a lot of money on nearly men and we have lost splashing it on big named stars as well. Its just doing dd as best you can.

04 Mar 2015 07:57:43
Jmb has got a point that we nèed proven talent, and if we can get ronaldo reus or robben then that's fine. But depay and dybala will be stars. Of that there is no doubt.
Also we bought proven talent in the summer and so far, the two most proven have not turned out great.
I think we should be looking to buy players that fit a system and not just household names.

04 Mar 2015 11:23:14
No Mid. Couldn't agree more!





 

 

 
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