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24 Feb 2015 08:48:20
Not United related, but is it just me that thinks the uproar of Ashley Barnes clash with Matic has gone way over the top? I saw it on Saturday and thought it was accidental and the 100 replays we have been shown since haven't changed that view. In slow motion it looks like a bad challenge, if you just look at the foot hitting the shin, but in real time and seeing exactly what was happening, I don't feel Barnes did it on purpose. He was playing a pass and Matic jumped in, was Barnes supposed to stop his leg in mid air and mid pass? anyone who has played football knows that is impossible, it was an unavoidable accident for me, and no worse than what Nani was wrongly sent off for again Real Madrid.

I can understand why Matic reacted as he will have just felt the force of the blow and assumed it was a bad tackle, he was rightly sent off though. Just shows not everything is black n white.

{Ed001's Note - did you not think he made a second movement to straighten his leg to get Matic with the follow through?}

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24 Feb 2015 09:37:08
Looked a bad un to me

24 Feb 2015 09:52:06
I agree was bad but do u really think he thought "right I'm going to break this guy's leg?" I dunno and tbh if he did then he should be banned for life

24 Feb 2015 10:52:29
Chris
Not sure, he had a couple goes before hand.
Some times you can make a decision to go in hard and that happens . You maybe don't want to break a leg but you do intend to leave a bit on him

24 Feb 2015 11:27:51
I thought Matic was right to react, Most of us would react to someone doing that to us as well. Barnes seemed to go over the top and regardless of if he meant it or not he should have been sent off, the fact he won't be facing any retrospective action is a strange one for me. When players make these kind of challanges they need to be punished, if not in game time then afterwards surely. Matic doesn't deserve to be banned for 2 or how many games but Barnes should have been banned for 2 regardless of intent.

24 Feb 2015 12:13:29
I agree jred, just the height of the impact and if there was a 2nd movement I don't know why else u would do it unless u want to cause some damage.

24 Feb 2015 12:48:59
The same player committed several bad fouls when we played them recently and only booked after he committed 5 or 6 fouls.

24 Feb 2015 13:07:21
JaMax, Barnes didn't make a challenge, he kicked a ball and Matic came across him just after he had connected with the ball. If he had dived in to a tackle and caught Matic as he did then it is a straight red, this wasn't a tackle, it was a pass.

24 Feb 2015 13:22:01
Nomidfield, I'm not talking about any other tackles and not defending the player for anything but this one incident. I just don't think there was any intent in it. I think it was just an accidental coming together caused as much by Matic jumping across the player to try and block the pass as the pass itself.

Refereeing this season has been shocking for me, but I think the ref and FA have got it right not to take the situation any further. Personally, I think the FA should have the option to decrease a punishment aswell as increase it, as we can all understand the way Matic reacted. If he thought he had been caught with a very bad challenge in the heat of a game, then it's hard not to react that way, not speaking from experience obviously, but the ref had no option but to send him off.

24 Feb 2015 13:05:12
Ed001, I've seen it loads of times as I have had this debate with a Chelsea fan at work. I had another look when I read your reply and I don't see any kind of 2nd movement, it is one movement for me. He plays the pass and naturally his leg straightens. Matic stretches across at the very moment Barnes' leg stretches out, I think it was just unlucky and the timing unfortunately was perfect for the coming together.

I don't see how anyone could play a pass and then move their foot in another direction in the tiny space of time that there was when you see it at full speed. Many many tackles look terrible in slow motion, but at normal speed, during a game and depending on what was happening at the time, many are accidental or not half as bad as they seem when slowed down and zoomed in on. What makes me laugh is people like Robbie Savage and Alan Shearer on MOTD being outraged by it. They were 2 of the dirtiest players around when they played.

24 Feb 2015 14:20:37
He doesn't bend his leg when he makes the impact tho.
You tend to natural bend your leg on contact it takes something off the impact .
If you leave something on it you keep your leg straight strong and go through the player.
Or so I've been told, honest

24 Feb 2015 14:31:45
Jred, something you want to confess?

I don't think it bent because his leg was jarred between the shin of Matic and his own hip, kind of locking it. Did a similar thing once myself when challenging for a header. I landed, but instead of my leg bending on impact with the ground, it jarred and my knee didn't bend, was pretty painful. In my case the ground was very hard, whereas the leg of Matic wasn't so hard, so it wouldn't have hurt Barnes.

24 Feb 2015 15:40:54
Brendan81, Barnes did not have possession of the ball, it was away from him, Matic and Barnes contested the ball together, not only was Barnes high, he also missed the ball, It may not have been a dive in tackle but he caught Matic.

What you say about a pass is complete nonsense. Regardless of if its a pass or not he was late in his attempts to get the ball and caught the opposition player on high on the shin. that's a sending off! His leg went downwards onto Matic's shin, if it was a pass his foot would have gone in a more forward motion closer to the ground.

Contact that bad, regardless of intent, regardless of if it was a pass or tackle, does not belong in the game and should be punished.

24 Feb 2015 16:17:58
Sorry Brendan81, you were correct, i watched it again and it was a pass. I still feel he followed through and his foot went higher than it needed to be.

24 Feb 2015 16:23:48
JaMax you seriously need to go watch it again, if you have even watched it and aren't going off what others have been saying. Barnes had the ball, he knocked it forward slightly and then played a pass which is when Matic jumped in to try and block the pass. When you kick a ball your leg follows through and rises, it's a ball they are kicking, not a wall, and it's not Subuteo. As his leg followed through, Matic came in and his leg got in the way of Barnes' follow through.

You sure you are watching the right video clip?

24 Feb 2015 16:31:30
Fair do's for accepting a mistake, nothing I have seen is changing my mind on the accident thing. He kicked the ball, his leg carried on forward as it does and unfortunately Matic came in half a second late to block it and got the boot instead. His leg/foot doesn't deviate in anyway, it is a kick and forward swing. If he deviated his leg/foot in order to catch Matic then I would agree. For me, he has to be given the benefit of the doubt as there is no evidence that he meant to do anything but play a pass. The still photos in all the papers of his foot on the shin makes it look a million times worse than it was. That's the media and Jose for you though. Let's face it Chelsea are no angels.

24 Feb 2015 18:11:28
Fair point Brendan, do you think Matic was wrong to react?

25 Feb 2015 10:19:39
In terms of the laws of the game yes he was totally wrong and it cost Chelsea. Do I blame him for doing it? No. If I believed that someone had gone in high on me and intended to hurt me, I would have reacted the same. But then seeing replays after I would have realised that it wasn't as I had thought.





 

 

 
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