23 Feb 2015 11:58:54
First off I am a fan of the club, and have been my entire life. While this may not be as long as some of the other fans on this site it doesn't mean I am less of a fan. I may not have been alive to support the club prior to the 90's and witness its "struggles" to adapt and change. But I am aware of the history and greatness of the club.
I see people on this site complaining about the negativity of others. People are expressing opinions on their views of the club and how it is run. Instead of being passive aggressive and posting about "How much negativity is terrible" maybe people should attempt to communicate to others through posting and try to change that so called negativity. I don't think it is negativity, I think it is natural to want improvement, especially in our situation.
The argument about the past is invalid by the way. Yes we have been spoilt over the past few years but why does that mean we should lower our expectations? As Ed has mentioned below the two situations are incomparable. Regardless of the massive differences we are one of the biggest clubs in the world, so to expect less than to be playing attractive football is absurd. Yes we are in the middle of a re-building job, but we have spent over 200 million in the last 2 seasons on transfer fees alone. We have the highest wage bill in England and one of the highest world wide. Why is it wrong to expect immediate success when spending these astronomical figures?
23 Feb 2015 12:53:57
Well said JaMax.
It irks me when I see people comparing LVG's and even Moyes's early experiences to that of SAF. As ED001 stated Ferguson built an unbelievable team from nothing. Little finances, little help and little reputation.
23 Feb 2015 14:32:45
JMB
"SAF built from nothing, little finances, help or reputation". SAF spent circa £18m from 86 to 92, not much now but a lot then and he spent on good players that took time to knit, SAF had a good reputation on his own merit from Aberdeen. I know what SAF did and supported him when he went through it but Busby and Jimmy Murphy built from nothing. We had a rich history, ancient history perhaps when SAF arrived but we had a reputation that we should be grateful that SAF rebuilt and embellished but didn't create.
23 Feb 2015 14:38:59
we have just gone through the biggest managerial change of the modern era. That counters any money thrown at it. Managerial changes playing staff. Money doesn't make it happen. it is a unique situation that I for one am not going to constantly pick at.The club was always going to falter mistakes are and will be made, expensive or otherwise, and I'd prefer to keep my focus on any positives that suggest there's a plan worth believing in.
as alwayws, being a Manchester United fan, I have the advantage of grand possibilities, always a dream to dream and I am quite grateful for that. the tone of some supporters opinions slash demands does suggest they really don't appreciate that. A kick in the face to a Burnley supporter or the likes who don't have and never have had that privilege to that kind of scale.
personally the money and time I put in isn't to demand anything it's to be a part of the journey.
I wish the best for L.v.G and hope luck goes for him and us. Monumental task but reasonable confidence it will go right.
200 miliion doesn't hide the fact there are positions to fill and certainly contains no logic to say it should gaurentee anything.
Manchester city and Chelsea have both spent well in excess of that to not only compete but overtake us in terms of playing staff and still had much to do after the initial outlay.
23 Feb 2015 14:44:01
people need to stop going on about the fergie era, that time has gone.(plus the teams and finances compared to the 90s to now is completely different)
why should we expect super football just because of our history that if anything makes us a little naive to expect such things, regardless of money spent, we shouldn't expect instant success, look how long it took city to achieve the title after spending over 500 million in transfers, and they have had many managers in the process.
people need to move and realise its going to take more than one season to get back to where we were, we are still in desperate need of quality imo in every position bar the gk.
23 Feb 2015 16:21:35
Juan, on the contrary, regarding SAF's reputation at the time. He had taken a provincial side in Scotland, and shattered the Old Firm hegemony, in a league where that sort of achievement was nigh on impossible, and at a time when the standard of football in Scotland was higher than now. Not only that, he won a European trophy with this same provincial side, beating the mighty Bayern Munich and Real Madrid, on the way to victory. He was definitely not a shot in the dark, just because he hadn't managed in England.
23 Feb 2015 23:40:41
Noucamp. Fergusons CV and Uniteds reputation were not as 'big' as LVGs nor the modern Man Utd that is what I was getting at.
I agree what Fergie did at Aberdeen was fantastic but when you look at his CV then and LVGs now who has won titles in Spain, Germany, Holland etc there is a massive gap. On top of that look at the squads they both inherited. Fergie had very little and had to look to his youth. LVG had a fine squad plus injected another £150million of talent.
Surely the comparison is nil.
24 Feb 2015 00:32:49
I'm not disputing any of that, mate. just the comment that SAF had little reputation, that's all.
{Ed007's Note - Ferguson stopped Celtic and Rangers in the league, look at the difference in club size and finances and that's as good an achievement as Simeone at Atletico. Would anyone in a quiz know that Aberdeen were the last Scottish team to win a European trophy? And remember that was with Aberdeen, not Ajax, Barca or Bayern Munich where they have the money and are expected to win leagues and European trophies.}
24 Feb 2015 10:01:23
Absolutely, Bond. I remember back then the sense of shock in Scottish football, that anyone outside the Old firm could gatecrash the top table. Dundee Utd had a go too at the same time - can't remember the aul grey haired guy that managed them off the top of my head. It was a phenomenal achievement by Fergie.
Aberdeen are my 'other' team. Started supporting them because everyone at school was either Rangers or Celtic, and I was an awkward little bugger. I had the last laugh when they won the Cup Winners Cup. Went to University there, and the football team was one of the contributing factors in that decision.
Along with his success at Utd, his achievements at Aberdeen certainly are worthy of comparison.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but Ed007 is incorrect, at that time Aberdeen were benefiting from a major increase in income due to the North Sea money coming in. At that time they did not have a financial disadvantage to the Glasgow pair.}
24 Feb 2015 16:21:20
Ed, they may have had money, but like any large provincial country town (see Ballymena in my neck of the woods), they're flippin' loathe to spend it!