17 Feb 2015 23:16:58
Ander Herrera this season:
5 starts
5 goals
5 assists
This, plus how much better we look with him in the team, shows why he would be starting every week.
You should send this to the manager, he obviously sees things differently unfortunately. Funny how Di Maria gets played every game although in all honesty he gives the ball away too many times for my liking and yet to give me comfort that 60 million was money well spent but herrera supposedly is not liked because he is deemed too forward thinking.
But he doesn't give us balance, nor does he fit the philosophy, and he's write short, nor is he Dutch and he is called Herrera. No chance
*quite*
It's worrying that I have even seen posters on here saying Herrera hasn't done enough to justify a starting spot and that he gives the ball away far too much!
Free Herrera.
18 Feb 2015 09:19:32
JMB,
Hope the posters you have seen here saying that don't include me? I haven't actually seen anybody say Herrera doesn't deserve a starting spot so I think you might be getting confused somewhere along the line?
That being said, that stat isn't really accurate as the goals and assists don't just include the games when he started, good stats nonetheless though.
Of course Hererra should be playing in the middle instead of Rooney, only one man knows why he isn't.
18 Feb 2015 09:37:43
GDS - this is a quote from you:
"I actually do not think Herrera has been amazing when he has played, he gives the ball away quite a lot and doesn't defend as well as LVG would like, it is amazing how good a player can become when he isn't playing.
I think Herrera is better than Rooney in midfield, but he is not the long term answer in my opinion and that is why LVG will be looking to bring that long term answer in in the summer."
This to me suggests you do not think Herrera is good enough and you don't seem to rate him or his performances very highly.
Why can't he be the long term answer? He is 25 years old and awesome. What more do you want?
18 Feb 2015 10:29:22
Yes I can see in there where I said Herrera doesn't deserve a starting spot, don't change things I have said to suit your argument.
I clearly state there that I think Herrera is better than Rooney in midfield, in other words, he should be playing in the midfield at the moment.
I have said I am not sure Herrera has shown yet that he can control the tempo of a game and be that main man in the middle, show me a game where he has done this so far and I will agree with you, but I can't think of one.
My point about him not being the long term answer was for example we signed Vidal or Pogba in the summer they would be my choice ahead of a Herrera, or in the same team as him. I think we need a combative midfielder who can control the tempo of the game and that is the long term answer in our midfield.
I heard all the same arguments about Kagawa and people arguing like you about him last season, he wasn't getting game time and that was being blamed on the poor performances and anyone who said he wasn't the next best thing were shot down, but I don't see too many people now wishing we kept him. I am not saying Herrera is the same as Kagawa, I actually think he offers more, especially at this time, but you see the point I am making.
I am pretty sure nobody wants to see a GDS2 v JMB show on here today, as you can see from my comments above our opinions on Herrera don't differ that greatly, so no need to suggest I, or anybody else, have said he shouldn't be in the team.
18 Feb 2015 11:31:29
Just telling it how I see it GDS. It is a banter page after all!
Herrera is nothing like kags.
Kags never looked he could handle the epl i think he had 1 good game .
People who wanted kagawa in the team imo where dreaming of the kagawa at Dourtmund .
Herrera on the other hand looks like he has something and i think most people would agree he deserves a chance.
He is also a totally different player to say a vidal imo
18 Feb 2015 13:06:07
jred,
I agree he deserves a chance, maybe with a run in the team he will be able to prove himself and I would love him to prove me wrong and show that he can control the whole tempo of a game on a regular basis.
How do you expect Herrera to control the tempo of games when (a) he hasn't had much game time and (b) has rarely been given the chance to play in the centre of the park.
As far as I can see van Gaal believes that his defensive midfielder (Carrick or Blind) should be setting the tempo. They're the first point of attack and the other players are tasked with creating movement in front of them. This is probably why our tempo has been so slow - relying on deep lying midfielders to control the game. If Herrera gets some regular game time alongside Blind, he will have more of a role to play in setting tempo, and you can judge him then.
Another part of your strawman argument. You claim that Herrera hasn't convinced you because he loses the ball too much, doesn't contribute enough defensively and doesn't control the tempo of the game. However, all none of these claims are accurate: his ball retention is among the best in the team, anyone who watches us can see that he works harder defensively than the likes of Di Maria, Juanzaj and Mata, and on par with Rooney and Fellaini. The only midfield players who do more defensive work are Carrick and Blind, who are defensive midfield players. And lastly, it's obvious that because he has been deployed as a right-sided mid, it isn't his job, under van Gaal, to control tempo.
The lad hasn't been amazing this season, and he has certainly lacked consistency. But he has played well so far while adapting to a new league and playing in an unfamiliar position, and all your criticisms are based on gross misrepresentations of what is happening on the pitch.
Gds
He is not really that type of player he will be a top player as part of a midfield unit.
Have u watched him play before we signed him ?
Jred, people bigging up Kagawa were usually the "Anything but Rooney" brigade ;)
Deeps.
Deeps
Very true .
18 Feb 2015 16:48:39
Danny,
'The lad hasn't been amazing this season' is all I said in one of my posts that started this whole thing off. I hope he can be amazing and I can see he probably could be, I just have a feeling we will sign another midfielder.
I am fully aware he is a good player, I have never said different, I feel like there was a massive overreaction to a comment that you have just repeated whilst trying to argue with me!
Let's get this straight, for one final time, I really rate Herrera, I think he COULD be amazing for us, but up to now he hasn't been amazing in any game, he has been good, but I am hoping he can be amazing. That ok?
But that isn't all you said.
You said he hasn't been amazing and he isn't a long term option for our midfield.
This isn't the same as 'he hasn't been amazing but he could be and I hope he will be'. It's more like I think he's good but not good enough. You constructed a strawman argument in an attempt to justify van Gaal's exclusion of one of our best performing players, and when people had a go at you, you just pretended that you had said something completely different.
18 Feb 2015 20:55:47
I really wouldn't need to do that, I can handle people 'having a go at me' on a banter site. I said I don't think he will be the long term option as in we will sign somebody else in the summer, if he can prove himself then let's hope he can. Apologies if I upset you with a strawman argument, I've explained my comment enough times now I feel.
"he is not the long term answer in my opinion and that is why LVG will be looking to bring that long term answer in in the summer."
Nope, you said he isn't a long term option and that is why van Gaal is looking to buy someone else in the summer. As in, Herrera isn't good enough so we need to bring in someone who is. If you backtrack anymore you'll end up in the Fergie era.
Danny
You hit the nail on the head
19 Feb 2015 00:10:52
Ok Danny, goodnight mate.