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13 Feb 2015 16:55:31
a question to all,

what is the big deal with the way were playing football if we are getting the results needed?

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13 Feb 2015 17:07:16
just at this time results are most important but the style of play will become more important when we are back in CL or competing to win the title. we can qualify with this poor style but won't sustain competitivness with the big boys until we can win in style

Spb, is this a serious question? Do you really believe that the result is the only thing that matters? If we win by serving up the tripe we are currently seeing then I would rather not win.

Football is a beautiful game when played well and whilst Managers will ultimately be judged on results and silverware, how we win is just as important

Ajh - this year it is yes. With what happend last year finishing so low and even the way we played last year was boring.

we shouldn't really care how we play as long as we get back in the CL. That was the aim this year.

I'm all for fast attacking football but surley you would rather win playing poor than lose playing good football?

Hopefully the style does improve but I'm not that fussed this year as long as we get back in the CL

People who think the results will continue if we keep playing this way are only kidding themselves. Teams like Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs have improved over the course of the season, whereas we have not.

Our fixtures are kind at the moment. But in mid march we will start a run of games where we face Spurs, Liverpool, City and Chelsea in the space of a month. If we don't up our performances before then we are likely to slip outside the top four.

It isn't a choice between playing good football and getting results. The sides competing at the top all play good football and that's why they consistently get results.

But we're constantly getting results playing badly.

In my view its like a disease that festers. If he gets this from the current crop of talent, who's to say it will improve next year? let's say he accomplishes CL football by stumbling to 4th and does the same next season with more horrible football, does he then get a third year? Ultimately it needs to be nipped in the bud, we are too close to missing out on CL football this year - it literally is a toss of the coin (but all of our rivals are playing better than us and have an identity). Do we know what are formation, best team, strategy is yet, because the one person that should clearly doesnt?

The Directors must be having sleepless nights now, it should be so different - meanwhile we have games that try to put us to sleep.

I could accept suffering if it was for a greater good, but I think it's suffering for sufferings sake.

Since January in the league we have beaten QPR, Leicester, and Burnley. We have drawn with Stoke and West Ham, and lost against Southampton.

So we have beaten three teams at the foot of the table. Drawn with two midtable clubs, and lost to our only direct rival.

We are getting consistent results, but our consistency is that of a midtable club, not a potential title challenger.

We are 12 points off the top of the table spb, this is simply not good enough. Couple that with the performance issues which are acknowledged by all, it is hardly what we expect from Man Utd.

Lets cut all the should he, would he, could he, away from this forget about last year and SAF for the time being (I know its not realistic because history impacts today, but for the sake of argument). The simple facts are we are in serious danger of being out of the CL places and Southampton, Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal all look better than us currently performance wise.

Its pretty concerning for even the biggest optimist, if anybody isn't worried then I think they are deluded. Nobody would have expected this pre-season, I'm Mr.Negative apparently and thought we would win the league, so it shows how surprised & disappointed I am by this seasons performance from players and management. So whilst not many people are kicking off about results, they haven't been up to snuff either really - but that can be forgiven if we are showing progress with our play - we are not.

But should we really of expected to challenge for the title this season?

NO.

we were steam rolled by all the big boys last year. won only arsenal at home out of the top 6 teams.

i must be the only one on here who thinks LVG is doing a good and is happy playing like this and getting the points.

What you're failing to accept is that we are not actually getting "the points". At present our points average would puts us on the border of 4/5 position (using previous seasons as an indicator). We also have to take into account that we have already played three of the worst teams twice, and have an incredibly tough run of fixtures coming up next month.

Van Gaal was hired with a clear objective of getting CL next year and he was given significant funds to achieve this (far more than any other manager this summer). At the moment it's touch and go if we finish in the top four. That should be the minimum expected of a team that has only finished lower than third once in the history of the EPL, and with the current level of performance we will struggle to keep ahead of the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs.

So we've lost one in 18 matches conceded only 8 goals in 18 matches. Best form team point wise in that period and still somehow, we're supposed to think that we're going to fall to pieces any time now.
Your arguments don't hold true. Southampton lost at home to Swansea two weeks ago and only beat QPR with last kick of the ball. Spurs beat arsenal but then lost to Liverpool. Liverpool beat spurs but weren't great against Everton. Chelsea struggled against Everton at Stamford bridge and were totally lucky to get the points. City haven't exactly lit the PL this year drawing with a Hull at wastelands.
City played bad games, Chelsea played bad games, Southampton played bad games, spurs played bad games, and arsenal and Liverpool played bad games. So what is the point you're making? They've all improved? So why did Southampton lose at home to Swansea? Why did city only manage a lucky 1 all draw against hull? Why did Liverpool struggle against Everton ? Why did arsenal struggle against spurs.
Let's get behind the team and we will make 3rd spot.

But we are getting the points otherwise we wouldn't be 3rd?

and we may have spent a lot of money but that was needed, we just lost the core of our defence, we lost giggs and we got rid of a lot of the squad.

and i'm not worried about either of the 3 u have mentioned, we have beaten both liverpool and arsenal and were unlucky not to beat spurs.

we still have arsenal and Tottenham at home and Liverpool away.

all games i'm confident of winning.

Nomid you've done a complete 180 from last season when you would have scoffed at the idea of just getting behind the team. Do you really think that we have seen a huge improvement in performance this season? Is the 6 point improvement enough to justify claims that we are doing great and #getting the points. The fact of the matter is that our standard of play hasn't picked up at all since the start of the season. If you look at the progression of form during the course of the season it's clear that Spurs and Liverpool in particular are playing better and getting more points now than they were during the first few months.

This is also obvious in terms of table standings because they have begun to gain on us in the last two months. In addition, we have to acknowledge that we have a really difficult run of games coming up. At the moment we're playing weaker teams and looking anything but convincing. Anyone that thinks we have nothing to worry about against Spurs at home, Liverpool away, and the City and Chelsea games is deluded.

Our average points thus far is less than two per game and puts us at roughly 70 points by the end. This is the borderline of 4/5 depending on how other teams finish. That says to me that we are in real danger of securing CL. It doesn't matter that we are in third right now because there is a difference of 5 points between third and seventh. We're a mere 6 points better off than this stage last season and Moyes was being roundly criticised.

And the explanation for the slow start is that we no longer have a 40 year old Ryan Giggs? FFS.

14 Feb 2015 02:17:44
6 points better than last season, pretty good return, we lost 12 games last season, that's almost 1 in 3, we have lost 4 games this season so far, 1 in 6, much better if you ask me.

Danny

I totally agree with your analysis and was going to post something similar but could not be ar. ed as people just don't want to deal with stuff and prefer to see things their way.

Starting March 15th

we have the following schedule:

Spurs at Home
Liverpool Away
Villa at Home
City at Home
Chelsea away
Everton Away

That is a brutal run and whilst everyone seems to be giddy happy we are in the top 4 and ignoring the atrocious performances, on current form I think we would do well get 5 points from those games.

We also do not have a great run in with the last 3 games away to Crystal Palace, Arsenal at home and Hull away. These teams will be fighting for their lives and Arsenal is not going to be easy at all even at home.

My gripe with this guy is he beats the lower level teams at home with ugly football and away from home we are sh. t against any decent team and his set up has cost us points and will continue to do so.

14 Feb 2015 08:53:30
Looking at those fixtures you would gave to say only Villa at home you would bet on 3 points, even if they get a new manager.

Spurs away form it has been patchy this season, apart from Harry Kane's, I would fancy our chances at getting 3 points.

Liverpool away, I think a point would be a good result.

City at home, well we have struggled against City lately so anything out of the game will be a bonus.

Everton have not won a home game since 15 Dec against QPR

The Chelsea game is between the QF of the Champions League, if they are still miles ahead in the league then we could face a weakened team.

So it doesn't look that daunting a list of fixtures really. lol

14 Feb 2015 09:14:03
These are the kind of fixtures big teams and big players look forward to, I can't wait for them to be honest, what a great run of fixtures for the team to prove the doubters wrong.

We only lost one of them games with 10 men in the corresponding fixtures, people running scared of a few big games, it's what football is all about.

14 Feb 2015 13:31:04
Gds it smacks of certain 'fans' wanting us to lose just try and prove a point.

As you say we should be looking forward to big games.

However I've had enough of the unrelenting negativity. The way some people on here go on anyone would think its the end of the world. Or are they colour blind and been watching Aston villa games instead. Anyway I'm taking a break from the site as I'm sick of the whinging from spoilt teenagers who only know success and are probably post 93 glory hunters anyway.

14 Feb 2015 13:39:35
They were here last season too, MrE.


Some were even posting that they hoped we'd lose (against the Scousers of all people), just to hasten Moyes' departure.

I don't mind a bit of negativity, if it's well-argued, and has a bit of humour in it too. Not that fussed on whingeing just for the sake of whingeing.

Will everybody stop whinging on about whinging please.
The irony.
lol

14 Feb 2015 13:55:02
Yes that was a disgrace. I wasn't a fan of moyes but felt he deserved the chance and support.

If anything the moaning this year is even worse. Its non stop constant and unrelenting. We won against Burnley but to come on hear within an hour of full time anyone would have thought we had been spanked 4-0.

Through work I popped into a place full of depressed brummies whose management were confiscating belts and shoe laces because of how bad villa have been. Those fans would laugh themselves silly reading some of the stuff on here.

14 Feb 2015 14:14:48
I know, mate. We've probably all been guilty at some point, of taking our success for granted, even us oldies.

It takes looking at the plight of other fans, to put things in perspective sometimes.

Imagine being a Liverpool fan for the last thirty years.

14 Feb 2015 16:37:28
We've just gone through a period of unprecedented success with a manager at the helm who demanded nothing but the best from his players, second was a dirty word, is it a surprise that this has filtered through to the fans and if the team are anywhere below the level expected, fans are not happy.
I have no problem if people want to come on here and have a good old moan, it's all part of the tapestry that is football.

Well eds

Since you won't post my .................

{Ed002's Note - Try not to be such a moron and we will.}

Gcu. But surely you must also realise that the teams we'll be playing have a heavy fixture load. And they too have difficult games.
I can tell you now that spurs, city and chelsea will not be looking forward to playing us.
So let's take one game at a time and see what happens.

Nomid

No team looks forward to playing us but i think some of the opposing managers must be pinching themselves and can't believe their luck when they see how he sets out the team.

They don't have to worry about Rooney or Dimaria because LVG makes it easy for them and really nullifies them with where he is playing them.

Imagine Sanchez playing in central midfield for arsenal.





 

 

 
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