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12 Feb 2015 14:55:58
LVG is showing no signs of progress, if he misses 4th place on goal difference and comes 5th, does that mean he is terrible? If he scrapes 4th place by goal difference, does that mean he has done a great job? Its a joke.
Beast

I think that's a good point and would be interested what others think of that especially the people who think 4th place would mean Lvg has done a good job .
I think it's a strange way to judge a manager solely on league position .
Surely there are wider issues
Quality of the squad
Progress of the team
How other teams around you have performed.
To name but a few

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12 Feb 2015 15:09:06
I agree, but equally u need time to assess those factors and the ability to change your mind after some too.

For me he's done poor with the signings made performance wise bit position wise he's done ok, over time I would expect better performances to come with better league finishes although I don't think he will be here next year.

When you take everything into consideration, the primary goal for this season is to get the club back in the CL. Everything else, IMO, comes after that. Therefore, if the manager get us back the top 4 and wins the FA up, I would have to say job done, well done, and now please address the other issues, namely entertaining us fans with better football.

Signings in the summer look more and more like being bought on names rather than what they will do for us.

We can't get anyone into a good shape.

Chris, why do you think that the manager won't be here?

I can't see it personally, unless we finish outside the top four. Even then, it would be a big decision to take. I don't think the club can afford to be chopping and changing while the team is still in a rebuilding process.

Sam
so if the the performances continue at the same level and we continue to pick up points at a similar rate and get top 4 lvg has done a good job .

But if performances and points continue at the same level but arsenal and spurs win every game and we end up 5th lvg hasn't done a good job?

I will asses lvg at the end of the season but it won't be solely based on the league position .
i would expect the board to do the same

Jred,
I expect the board will be more concerned, at this point in time, with playing in the CL next season, compared to their concerns with our current performance levels, which, contrary to what others think, I don't think have been as bad as some would have us believe.

The truth is, none of us know the minds of the board, the manager and the players. It is all conjecture. But I suspect that if we achieve a top 4 finish, the board will be more than happy for the manager to carry on his role; and will give the manager the funds needed to complete his rebuild.

As you say, it is pointless to make a firm judgement now.

Sam
i would be surprised if a business the size of united wouldn't take in to account numerous factors when assessing a manager and planning for the long term future .

i really don't get your "if we finish top 4 lvg has done a good job"

Imo if we finish top 4 we will of had a successful season ,but that doesn't mean lvg has been great when you asses his performance as manager.

12 Feb 2015 16:22:15
As a club, at the moment are we in any position to judge a manager on anything but league position? For this season as bad as it may sound i'm more interested in us getting CL for next season. Baring in mind just how how bad this transition has been and how important a top 4 finish is for us.

Would you rather have a manager that gets us into the top 4 come the end of the season even if we're playing bad football OR have a manager that makes us play nice, attractive football that we all crave but miss out on the CL? What is more important? I'll be as pedantic and negative as the rest of the crowd if we're still playing the same way next season with CL football (assuming we make the top 4 this season). Up until then anything more than 3rd or 4th is a bonus regardless of how much money we spent, it's just not that simple.

Is there much difference between having a successful season or having a good season? Is it a question of semantics?

I don't think I have ever used the word 'great' to describe the manager, team or performances an any recent post.

Ozwald
So if we finish top 4 lvg has done well.
If he doesn't he has been poor regardless of anything else.

strange way to fully appraise a managers performance imo.
Infact in a way you could be judging lvg solely on how other teams play .

12 Feb 2015 16:56:05
jred,

I don't think he said that mate, he said the thing that LVG will be judged on above all else is getting us in the CL, that is mission number one, obviously everything else matter, but just not as much as getting us back in the CL.

Sam
I think there is a difference between united having a successful season (finishing top 4 ) and lvg doing a good job.
With this squad we could finish 4 and underperform .
On the other hand spurs and arsenal could be amazing and over perform we could play well but only finish 5 .
That may not be a successful season but the manager may of done a good job.

Gds
Like i have said top 4 would be good for the club
Im not sure it is the correct way to judge a manager there is far more to it than that imo as i have stated above .

12 Feb 2015 17:28:23
Just going on what the eds say really mate, although none have come out and said he is defo leaving I think by Ed002 and 01 suggesting Carlo may be available in the summer the time may be right to install a manager with a longer life span before he gets snapped up by someone else.
I always saw lvg as a spot gap for a few years but maybe with certain managers available in the summer that time might come quicker.

{Ed002's Note - LVG has upset someone in a significant position in the MU hierarchy. There is a third party who is pushing for CA to be available to either Manchester club. Real Madrid have made provisions by ensuring that they would be due some significant compensation if he were to leave.}

Jred,
I understand where you're coming from mate, but there are many variable to take into account IMO.

If we take our results as a measure of how well the manager is doing, I would argue that he has done a good job thus far.
If we are talking performances, then I would have to argue that that they have been okay thus far: I think there have been some good performances this season, but our ability to maintain a high performance level is admittedly not been good enough.

The manager would have been told what was required of him this season when he took the job. I would imagine that the number one priority would be to get the team back in the CL. And seeing as he was only given a 3 year contract, I would assume that his target for next season, after more major investment in the summer, would be for the club to challenge for the league title. If he achieves that, and after more investment, to challenge for the CL. Assuming he met the first two seasons expected goals I would imagine that we would have a team capable of competing on all fronts, which, IMO, is the reason the manager was brought in: to rebuild and make the team competitive again.

There is still some way to go; and a lot can happen from not until the end of the season. We could even start playing the type of football the beast wants us to play and see a positive, LVG friendly post from him. That would constitute a successful season IMO. :)

Sam
I agree the manager will of been given a level of expectation for the season .
I don't agree it will of been as simple as get top 4.
I also don't think our performances have been ok to be honest not when you look at the quality of players we have.
My main issue is i don't see any improvement or progress from the start of the season.
Infact we don't look any better now with a strong squad than we did when we had a number of injuries .

I also think that we will spend in the summer and have a team capable of challenging for title.
not sure we will have a manager who is

I agree about the progression of the team. But that might have something to do with the fact that now we have everyone back fit, the manager has had to alter certain things that were probably working better than they are now.

It is obviously a dividing issue this; but one thing I am sure most would agree with is the fact that the club does need stability. I hope the manager is the man to deliver it; but if what ed is saying about the manager upsetting people already, we might have to go throw another bloody process and transition. I generally hope that isn't the case. I think the current manager can deliver.

12 Feb 2015 18:43:46
I'm not saying if we get top 4 then the manager's done a good job. The main thing is he does the job, that's what's more important right now and we're not in any real state to say whether he's doing it well or not. Next season there's a lot more room to judge how well he's doing providing he's still here (which we all more or less know will only be possible if he achieves CL football).

Who actually know's what his thinking is, he may have a completely different approach given the change in circumstances. While he's not doing the best job, and who knows maybe there is someone who could do it better he is't exactly doing the worst job seeing as we're 3rd.

Why get rid of a manager who is currently fulfilling his targets just because he's not doing it in the most stylish way right now?

Ozwald
who said get rid of him

12 Feb 2015 18:25:31
Thanks batman02

Apologies for some of the typos. My tablet is a pain in the rear to type on.

12 Feb 2015 23:51:54
Jred, are you telling me you haven't seen any 'we need to get rid of LvG' posts on here, at all. seriously? There's been plenty.

Oz
No to be honest.
Apart from beast but he can be a bit extreme .
But i thought the discussion was just between me and you pal

13 Feb 2015 06:57:04
There's been a few jred, but in all the negativity is more about style than lvg out. 80% have not announced they want him out So your both right.

13 Feb 2015 09:56:49
I've seen Beast and yer man Jamie that comes on after every game. Two people. Many others saying he needs to get his finger out and change things, but still only two people calling for his head at this time.





 

 

 
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