11 Feb 2015 23:37:03
Well that's another 3 points we've scraped lol not the best too watch but we're up to 3rd at least . On a positive it was nice too see Herrera get some game time, I thought he played quite well, and the cheer he had when he came on should speak volumes to lvg . 😉 we still lack urgency and pace tho, poor old Falcao had a bit of a nightmare tonight, he couldn't trap a bag of cement, its a shame because you can see he's a really good player but it just isn't happening for him here . And poor old Rooney being shoved into midfield is more and more baffling by the week, he was our defensive midfielder half the time, one of the most prolific goalscorers in the premier league and he's protecting our back 4 lol but a win is a win I suppose, so I'm trying not to b too pessimistic lol but come on Louis keep Herrera in the middle and get Rooney back up top
The falcao that set the secnd goal up he makes the runs the rest can not see and that's his fault rathef have him than rvp
12 Feb 2015 00:50:56
Yeah that Falcao, the one that lost the ball everytime it came too him . He had a first touch like a baby elephant tonight , that's why he was taken off early !! I hope the guy comes good because u can see he's a class act , and he gets into some great goalscoring positions, like all natural goalscorers do , but he's not putting the ball in the back off the net which is wat we're paying him so much money too do . I hope comes good because he offers more than rvp , will he come good before the end of the season and prove he's worth buying permanent? I'm not sure
12 Feb 2015 06:58:36
Dazw I dunno how u can argue lol falcao had a mare tonight, I like the bloke and am confident he will find his best form but tonight he was bad. Maybe it's a case of trying to hard.
Shambles of a performance and posted a few days ago that this managers savings grace might unfortunately come from injuries to certain player, which will force him to play people in their right position. Jones is a rubbish defender and a Joke how he defends corner and Herrera's introduction which gave us some bite in the second half although burnely were pushing forward and must have thought we can stick it to these guys as i would have if i were on the pitch. Herrera's was not a managerial break through but was forced on him.
I guess 3 points is what will keep everyone happy and his support brigade but IMO even a bigger mistake of an appointment than Moyes and this guy is useless and after swansea our fortunes will turn as those teams in our run of fixtures will not be as accommodating or we will not have lady luck smiling on us.
He is out of his debth and completely unprepared for this league, getting battered at home for 45 minutes by a 19th place team against a team of superstars is purely the managers fault and whatever he is preaching to them in training is utter sh. t.
12 Feb 2015 08:20:44
GCU,
As you want to keep comparing lvg to moyes at this stage last season we had 41 points and drew our next game. This season we have 47. I don't like comparing lvg to moyes because moyes was inept, didn't get the points he needed a dragged us down to 7th. It's been done to death, he might not have got us playing very well but he was not a worse appointment than moyes, it makes you look a bit daft even suggesting that.
Also you keep telling us 'our fortunes will turn' but it has yet to happen. I thought you weren't watching anymore anyway so how do you know what happened last night? ;)
12 Feb 2015 08:22:50
Think it's safe to say falcao 'had one' last night, the more it went wrong the harder he tried and the worse he got. I would have taken him off at half time even though we had used 2 subs.
Strangely, i find myself agreeing with all that post gcu.
However, you still haven't answered my question about scousers making top4? Three months ago when i suggested they'll come good, you were adamant that they'll be mid table. And of course you were completely wrong on that, so let's hope that we're all wrong about lvg and let's hope he can turn us into a good team.
GDS I hear what you are saying but to put it into perspective at this time last season Arsenal were top of the League, Liverpool were obliterating the opposition (eventually going on the score 100+ goals), city were winning game after game, Chelsea were lurking and Everton were probably playing the best football in the league.
If LVG gets champions league then great, for me he gets another crack again next year but don't pretend he hasn't had luck shining on him. Say what you want about Moyes but with half the luck LVG has had Moyes would still be in our hot seat in my opinion.
12 Feb 2015 09:20:52
Juan,
At what point does it stop becoming luck though? How many times am I going to hear that the luck will run out only for us to be 'lucky' in the next game. We might not be playing that well and the first half performance last night was an embarrassment, but we still kept possession alright, and in the 2nd half they only had 1 chance from a silly mistake, after that they never looked like scoring. We have had luck this season, but we have also been unlucky, 2 penalties against Burnley away we should have had, the penalty against Leicester that changed the game.
I know how bad we were last night, LVG knows how bad we were last night, but we won 3-1 and moved up to 3rd, it is not as bad as a lot of people are making out.
GCU compares LvG to Moyes And tries to convince people Moyes was better, when clearly he isn't, wasnt and never will be. GCU stood so firmly behind Moyes even when it was completely obvious Moyes was totally out of his depth and it seems to be a pride issue now. The false comparison won't become relevant unless LvG finishes 8th. I wish some like GCU would just accept they were wrong over Moyes and get over him. LvG is not doing great but look at the difference in what he inherited. Moyes took on the the champions who everyone feared and left with the team a shivering wreck feared by no one. It is called momentum and Moyes destroyed it. LvG picked up a team with no confidence and more importantly the lack of the fear factor due to Moyes incompetence. The SAF transition was appallingly handled, then the second transition saw LvG arriving late after the World Cup to find a shambles. The top level back room staff had been replaced by a bunch perennially finishing outside the top four so this was more than just a top level management change. The club gave LvG a 3 year deal after failing to convince the players Moyes would really be there for his 6 year deal, so from one extreme to another. This situation is here because the club failed to learn from the Busby change and again appointed someone too inexperienced. We dug a big hole and are now trying to clamber out and as Liverpool found in 1990 it isn't easy.
When they update the history books it won't be GCU's Moyes they write about that's for sure.
Nomid
I had us Arsenal, City and Chelsea finishing top 4 even before the season started in AJH poll and had us finishing 3rd.
3 months ago I thought we would kick on as would arsenal especially given our light fixture schedule and injuries getting out of the way and whatever this guy is preaching coming good.
Unfortunately since then what has happened is Arsenal, who had a worse injury crisis than us has pushed on and yes they have their occasional blip but they have a great run of fixtures ahead of them and expect them to pick up points in bunches. They always come good in the second half and Wenger has made a living out of this.
On the other hand we are unfortunately getting worst and these performances are not a coincidence and just a bad week as they are consistent and no one can deny that. It has me believing we will miss out and he is going to get sacked. Still not sure about Liverpool or spurs but one of those 2 will get in.
Moyes did not have
Di Maria, Falcao. Herrera, Luke shaw, Rios, Blind to call on.
He had Vidic, Ferdnand, Evra on their last leg, Rooney and RVP taking turns on the physio table and Smalling, Evans, Jones doing their usual one week in 3 weeks injured.
He also had Fellaini with a hamstring issue and then a broken wrist and was hardly fit to play.
He had Rooney wanting to leave the club and certain senior players who were told they were not being extended with new contracts being disruptive and not putting out.
If you can't see the difference between the two scenarios then you are blinder than i thought.
He was screwed before he even started and would have us much higher in points than this guy. This guy is an egit as the irish say.
12 Feb 2015 10:04:28
Moyes had the funds available that LVG had so your point about the players is irrelevant. I cannot believe you are still banging the Moyes drum, it is making you sound ridiculous.
'He would have us on much higher points than this guy', but he didn't did he, he was on less points at the same stage.
You can make all the excuses in the world, if Evra was on his last legs why didn't Moyes sell him and replace him? The 3 defenders you named have done the same this year and will always be injured every other week, LVG has had more injuries.
There are so many points I could make to argue with you that I am struggling to decide which are the most relevant at the moment, what was your excuse for the 3-0 defeats at home to City and Liverpool? Guess they weren't Moyes fault either.
Your obsession is worryingly off the mark and makes me think hard about your opinion on other things.
{Ed001's Note - seriously speaking, you know Moyes tried to replace Evra, well the club did, but Woodward failed to clinch a deal with any of the chosen targets. To blame Moyes for that is, quite simply, ridiculous. I am no fan of Moyes, I don't think he was, is or ever will be good enough for Man Utd, but he was not responsible for the lack of players bought.}
GDS2
No obsession but 100% believe he would have us in the 50s points region.
Your blindness to what is right in front of you is even worst.
During the 2013 season and after it in that summer I and a very select few said that team was grossly overrated and only won because mancini had a melt down at city and chelsea was in disarray.
It was matter only a matter of time when things fell part and people like yourself attacked me for that and kept talking about 11 points.
This teams points total is deceiving and this manager is useless and only a matter of time and not if but when things go off the rail.
With a 150 million of expenditure and mata in his first full season and a healthy fellaini, I would think the least we should expect is to be better off and 6 points is a poor return IMO after all last year was a disaster so why use that as a bench mark.
Liverpool lost Suarez and arsenal had their early season issues or we would be no better off.
BTW if you can't see the difference of last years Liverpool team to this year you are truly need some help LOL.
It is not us who have suddenly improved it is them them were in shambles early season but credit to the Irish guy he has got them settled with 8 new players and his fair share of issues with injuries.
12 Feb 2015 10:32:44
Ed001,
Fair play, I maybe went over the top with that post, like I said I had so many points to make I couldn't make them all, I just despair with people who think Moyes was so good and had everything against him.
I don't think LVG is doing particularly well, but we are 3rd and are a difficult team to beat, last season we were just as bad and weren't getting the results either.
{Ed001's Note - just thought you needed a bit of balance mate, I understand it is a tough call, though personally I think both Moyes and LVG are the wrong managers, neither are buying the players. In fact Moyes wanted both Shaw and Herrara last season, who have both been bought since, so it is harsh to pick on him not buying.}
12 Feb 2015 10:54:04
Ed 001 wats your views on this style lvg is trying too instill ? I'm not a fan personally, but i'd like your take on things , I think we've got some good players , but they need to b played in they're proper position , and allowed too play quick attacking football , and of course the other question is do you think lvg will still be here at the beginning of next season ? Thanks in advance m8
{Ed001's Note - I don't think LVG knows what style he actually wants to be honest. In his periods of success, he has always had a plan to follow which was set out for him. It was never him deciding the tactics, now it is. He just looks a little lost. He needs a plan to follow, but he is trying to prove he can do it himself, and that is where it falls down. He simply isn't as smart as he thinks he is, and so he is overthinking what is a simple game. Eventually it catches up to you, no matter how good the players are you have. He is just lucky to have some top class finishers available to keep United picking up results. The fear factor vanished in the Moyes era, but LVG is doing nothing about bringing it back, as Burnley will attest. The other teams are going into games with you thinking they have a chance, that your luck will turn soon and someone is going to benefit big style.
I am not convinced that is true, I think you will carry on picking up points for bad performances until the day he is moved on. That good performances will be rare and the smaller clubs will always fancy their chances, but I don't see you folding any time soon. It is just that it is going to be dreary to watch under LVG until the day he is relieved of his duties.}
12 Feb 2015 11:21:18
GCU,
But we have a lot more points than last season, so the argument from a few weeks ago where the other teams are doing worse so that's why we are higher isn't valid. There is only one of us using last year as a benchmark, you keep bringing up Moyes, I think comparing LVG to Moyes is a joke, compare him to Fergie and you will see he is not doing a great job.
For what it's worth I agree with Ed001 that Moyes and LVG are the wrong managers, especially for the long term.
12 Feb 2015 11:31:16
GCU, that's one of the worst attempts at spelling, 'eejit', I've ever seen :)
12 Feb 2015 11:55:15
Thanks for that ed001 , completely agree m8 , do u think lvg will b still b here after the summer ?? Could b worth a cheeky little punt on a him leaving lol
{Ed001's Note - I would be surprised if he was the manager next season, there are already certain powerful parties within the club who want him out.}
Noucamp
LOL used to date a irish girl many years ago and first time I heard it LOL. Funny word though.
Ed001
Thank you for the honest views always interesting to hear a neutrals view. I have nothing against this guy I just think he is more hype and completely lost and clueless and this is as bad as you can play given our squad and a mid level pl manager would get better results.
He is more suited to Fifa 15 with his theory of the game. His reaction to Sam's comment are so embarrassing I don't want anyone like that near my club. He is like the mad professor LOL.
I love the defensive stats people keep mentioning, Burnley should have had 4 or 5 yesterday and we are just that one match away from getting hammered by someone and that will kill the last ounce of confidence we have which is at the moment getting us through. Maybe i am wrong but i do not believe we will finish top 4 and by end of march will be looking up.
{Ed001's Note - I was shocked by his reaction, it was cringeworthy.}
GDS2
Let me ask you simple question hypothetically on LVG. Let's say we Finish 6th after having spent 150 to improve the squad and all time record spend in british football history also keeping in mind that we did not lose any key player or superstar that we needed to replace. (suarez issue and liverpool)
If that happens, would it be fair to say he was the worst appointment for United in the last 30 to 50 years?
12 Feb 2015 12:51:15
GCU,
Yes obviously, but unhypothetically, we are 3rd.
Sorry but different starting points for the two managers regardless of money spent. We totally lost momentum and any fear factor under Moyes and you can't just switch that back on easily. Moyes nor LvG were good appointments for me, however the Moyes one took the club a massive step backwards and could be the defining moment since Wilf McGuiness was appointed unless we arrest the slide. The next appointment will be absolutely vital, they need to get it right.
12 Feb 2015 13:19:39
thanks ed001 , top stuff m8
{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome mate.}