04 Feb 2015 13:37:50
Interesting piece from Owen Hargreaves in the Daily Mail:
He claim Hummels would not be the man for us as he is too slow for the Premier League. which to be fair is a relevant point. he also goes on to say how, yes, Hummels is a captain, but the team he captains is last.
Before i get abused on here i think Hummels is our man and we should pay £30m or lower for him.
I was convinced we needed Hummels, but the more I read and see, the more I think others may be right about him and maybe he is not the answer.
Maybe Garay is the way forward with the Argie/Spanish connection as well and his passing capabilities.
Pace as a CB isn't everything 2 yards in your head is just as good look at John Terry's career even Vidic was never quick.
I always think Hargreaves has an axe to grind with United
Garay would be great Beast.
But Hargreaves is being unfair, you can't blame the Captain for the teams position - that is ludicrous. So much more goes into a teams position than who the Captain is.
Hummels strength is his positioning and reading of the game. He and Rojo would work well together as Rojo has pace and Hummels would help him positionally.
It is also rumoured that Pepe will be choosing between ourselves and City at the end of the season - he too would be a great signing if he behaves.
I think pace is quite important for a CB, obviously not the biggest factor but look at the best CB's in the Premier League. Kompany, Cahill, Alderweireld, Rojo even. all have a yard of pace about them, then look at the best CB's in the world. Ramos, Thiago Silva, Boateng. They all have that extra yard as well.
I think pace is quite important for a CB, obviously not the biggest factor but look at the best CB's in the Premier League. Kompany, Cahill, Alderweireld, Rojo even. all have a yard of pace about them, then look at the best CB's in the world. Ramos, Thiago Silva, Boateng. They all have that extra yard as well.
I for one hope we never see Pepe in one of our shirts he is an awful defender a terrible playactor and cheat and above all a prize watermelon far better defenders out there without the baggage that person brings
04 Feb 2015 15:52:11
The best cb in the league is all subjective Harry,me personally I don't rate Kompany that high or Cahill.
Chris the REDman,
Who would you say are the best CB's then? I personally don't see how you cannot rate Kompany, the mans a leader and an awesome defender.
04 Feb 2015 16:50:00
Personally I think the standard of all centre halfs around the world is pretty average.None of today's centre halfs can hold a candle to Baresi rio desailly stam & the likes.
04 Feb 2015 16:56:02
In the Prem? I'd go Terry as the best. In Europe I'd plump for either Godin or Silva.
It's not that I think Kompany is a bad defender at all I just think in a team that has a sense of mercenary about them he plays the 'I care' card well. I find he dives in over committing himself a lot and gives away silly fouls.
But like I said it's all subjective. It's opinions and imo there are better defenders out there. Just because someone shouts a lot and talks to the press at any given opportunity does not make them a good defender in my book.
I'd even put Reid of westham above him. If u want to watch a proper defender lead and defend well watch Godin.
Kompany pacey? I've heard it all now.
Hummels is certainly no slower than the names you mentioned Harry. Rojo is the only one there with pace.
Vidic was slow and he didn't turn out too bad did he? And Hummels is much quicker than Vidic.
04 Feb 2015 17:15:14
He point pizza steve.
Dortmund are bottom, although they've only conceded a few more goals than us. Why would we want to sign a captain and key defender of a team that's struggling so badly, especially at a premium price.
We have had a very inconsistent defense because of injuries, and we are lacking both experience and leadership, but we might yet be surprised. Having a great goalie can infuse a back 4 (we wish) with incredible confidence.
Watching Hummels at the WC and injured I may add, he was an absolute beast. I kept thinking that if he was in our team we would improve tenfold. Very imposing and excellent on the ball. That is what we are missing, I think alongside Rojo he would slot in very nicely indeed. Clyne and Shaw either side and DDG nailed down to a long contract and we would have a cracking defence for years to come. All ifs and buts, but Hummels would be a very good signing and I couldn't care less what Hargreaves has to say on the matter.
Silva isn't a good defender anymore or at least not this year the best a the current moment is Godin followed by Cheielleni with Terry a close third
04 Feb 2015 18:26:35
I thought boateng was better than hummels at the world cup.
Not a fan of hummels at all. But then I've never rated terry either.
Good call further up on baresi though.
If de gea stays then hummels with rojo could me the making of a great new cb pairing. if de gea goes then i would request varane coming the other way and try for laporte. i think those 2 together would form a formidable pairing.
Syd mate Hummels is very slow, at times it looks like he is running in treacle. He's also slow on the turn. Dortmund and the German national team have had to adapt the way they play to fit him in with them not playing as high a line as they would like as Hummels lacks pace. Vidic would beat him by a country mile in a foot race now let alone a few years ago.
Hummels does cover his lack of pace with good positioning, but in the Premier league when teams break on you so quickly you have little time to set yourself before the attack. He would be caught out time and time again.
Thats not to say he isn't better than what we have, just that if we signed him for in excess of 40m there will be many disappointed supporters come the end of his first season with us.
He isn't suited to the EPL, but that has happened to better players than him before.
There are 4/5 players i'd sign before him.
04 Feb 2015 21:34:37
Verane would be my first choice all day long
The germans play a very high line infact its on the half way line at times
04 Feb 2015 22:32:05
Mata's Beard, surely Ramos should be on that least. Adds about 5/10 goals a season don't forget!
I've never rated hummels. Garay otimendi laporte verane and if we're really lucky, ramos. All these are better players than hummels.
Otemandi, Varrane, Schar would be very good in my opinion. I think we will only go for CD in the summer, a right winger and a midfielder.
I can also see us make a move for dyabala and potentially move a striker.