20 Jan 2019 08:34:37
It’s always someone else’s fault isn’t it. It was someone else’s fault he fell out with the Spain players at Madrid, it was someone else’s fault he treated the Chelsea physio so badly, it was someone else’s fault he lost the Chelsea dressing room, it was someone else’s fault he dropped our player of the year for pretty much a whole season, it was someone else’s fault Rashford looked to be going backwards, it was someone else’s fault he couldn’t get the best out of a £90M player, it was someone else’s fault we have been dire this year. It was someone else’s fault he slagged his players off in public, it was someone else’s fault we park the bus every time we go to Anfield, it was someone else’s fault he changed his CBs every game, it was someone else’s fault Sanchez got picked for every game despite stinking the place out.

I’m fed up of the arrogance and deluded narcissism Jose constantly displays, he sounds like King Canute trying to repel the ocean but deep down he knows he can’t. United have issues to resolve and those issues may currently prevent us being able to challenge at the very top. However, if you treat your players properly, allow them to express themselves, embrace the United ethos, pick a settled team, treat attack as the best from of defence, trust youth, then you don’t end up languishing somewhere between 6th and 8th miles off the top 4.

Ole has shown the potential of this team, there’s work to do but in the first 17 games we had 26 points which is just over 1.5 points per game. Since he’s gone we have won the last 6, so a third of the games, twice the points compared to Jose. Goals per game has gone up from 1.7 to 2.83. I don’t think Ole is a managerial prodigy, I think he knows how to treat people, he has humility, he gets the club, and he’s doing the simple things well. Sometimes, when you have good players, it’s not rocket science.

Joses behaviour and performance this season has been disgraceful and he got what he deserved.

{Ed025's Note - great post AJH..


1.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 09:05:39
Great post Tony, everytime the man opens his mouth now I lose a little more respect for him.

Constantly making excuses and snide backhanded comments, believing that he had no part to play in what we had become and this constant obsession with pep and Klopp.

To anyone who watches the beautiful game it is glaringly obvious what our problem was and now it's gone.

{Ed025's Note - very much so deano..


2.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 09:14:56
Tony, he's gone. Let us resolve, from this day forward, to speak about him no more!

{Ed025's Note - nah..lets give him the stick he deserves forever noucamp, he almost single handedly destroyed united and let it be a warning to every other manager that second best will not be tolerated at united mate..


3.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 09:37:19
Top post Tony. And whole heartedly agree ed. I think the most ridiculous thing he claimed was that second with this squad was the best achievement he has ever made. So disrespectful to the players he had. I have always maintained that this isn’t a bad squad. Yes I don’t think it’s quite good enough to win the league. But it’s more than good enough to be third. It’s unbalanced with attacking talent and lack of in defence. But Jose should be ashamed of himself for tricking fans into believing this squad could not play attacking football. Each victory and performance is banging a nail into his coffin for me. When you have the likes of rashford, martial, Lingard, pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku and you can’t win your easy home games then there is clearly a problem with your tactics. It’s time he moved on and time we did so as well. I will not be mentioning his name again 😂.

{Ed025's Note - i just want to be the guy on the hammer when them nails are going in park mate.. :)


4.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 09:43:16
People turned on the on players, rashford didn't have that much natural talent, shaw and martial needed sold as did the virus pogba .

Maybe the issue was just an outdated manager.

{Ed025's Note - very much so jred..


5.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 09:46:01
Speak about who.


6.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 10:07:51
I think we can all wholeheartedly agree the relief he is out of our club forever feels amazing. OGS may not be the new messiah, but he has brought back our identity and a feel good factor in only one month and we ought to be very grateful to him for that regardless of whether he stays in May or is replaced by someone else. What a start he has made, and done it with humility, Grace and class whilst playing some good football. None of which Jose achieved with us.

{Ed025's Note - thats the word eric..."class", some have it and some dont mate..


7.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 10:09:13
This was meant to be a reply to a post down the page, I must have clicked new post instead. There’s a thread down the page kind of defending him, I’m not having it.


8.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 10:17:04
It’s been obvious since the start of this season that Jose was focused on protecting his own reputation. Publicly complaining about lack of transfers, saying his players aren’t good enough to compete, playing players out of position in big games to prove a point, and focusing on Pogba as the cause of poor squad morale.

There are big issues at the club in terms of structure, a lack of modernisation, and lacking of footballing insight at the very top. But Jose’s job was to get the best out of the players he had at his disposal. He couldn’t do this, and moved to protect his own reputation at the expense of all else.

{Ed025's Note - your spot on danny mate..


9.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 10:34:05
It doesn’t seem the post I wrote has yet made it to the page. I am not defending our ex manager but take a look at what is happening at Chelsea, again. We are conveniently pointing the finger at Mourinho for all ills, who yes, deserves blame, yet seemingly forgetting the players part. There are some players who have now decided to play, for how long? If we want a manager not a coach we need to get the decision right in summer and give them authority. If we jettison another manager when players stamp their feet we will be in a yo yo position. If we want a coach not a manager, then good but that is what the restructure should bring. It was not just the manager who was the problem but part of it.


10.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 10:34:09
I think most of us wanted it to work. It didn't. The man can't help himself. His record stands for itself and at united its not a good record.

On a side note Canute is actually the opposite to Jose. One day he'd had enough of sycophantic yes men telling him how great he was so ordered the throne carried to the beach and ordered the tide back to prove the point that he was just a guy and not all that great. Quite humble and certainly not Jose.


11.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 10:47:21
I fully disagree with your post. He has the right to say whatever he wants and i don't think any of us knows what went behind the scenes at UTD.

He is class and has won a lot in his career and he should be treated with respect from players which he didn't get it because players now a days are like small girls or very pampered.

Its funny how we are still talking about Mourinho even though he is gone and we should really be talking about how good we are playing and how positive Ole has been but we still decide to criticise Mourinho.
😂😂😂.


12.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 10:44:41
Just been reading sir alexs first autobiography. Sounded like you were describing him Tony 😂 seems to be a trait that runs through some of the most successful managers.

Ed025? Singlehandedly brought united down? Give it a rest mate. OTT if ever I read a comment on this site. We know you don't like him but that's just hyperbole.

He was a bad fit for this club at a time where we needed something else and better qualified people in the boardroom. Ole seems to be a really good fit at this particular time. It takes pressure and focus away from ed Woodward (maybe not the best thing, but could be just what he needs to find the right pieces behind close doors) And he has the players enjoying the football that they are playing.

As for the 'virus', his recent run of form does not forgive him for his last 2 years of sub par performances and attitude. He needs to continue this for quite some time and when the chips are down (they will be at some point) he needs to show the club and fans that he is willing to fight and not manoeuvre a move away.

{Ed025's Note - your right about me not liking him angel but thats because i think hes an arse clown, maybe your a fan of his i dont really know but he was the worst thing to happen to united in many a year, if it was not his fault that united were a disgrace then you tell me who was to blame?, its ok you being all PC about him but open your eyes mate...and tell it like it is..


13.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 11:01:16
Savage ed025 😂.

{Ed025's Note - yet fully justified mate.. :)


14.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 11:02:27
Singh the words you used to describe players could easily be used to describe the manager himself. He has won a lot but then so have pogba, ronaldo, hazard didn't stop the manager from throwing them under the bus to cover his ass did it. He has now tried to blame everybody but himself for getting sacked 3 times in a row, who cries to the media everytime he doesn't get his way, sounds to me as you put it lot like small little pampered girl.

We are discussing him because since has gone, we have played watchable football, there is no one at the club consistently telling the fans that the club is mediocre or the players playing are rubbish and how while other managers can improve players but he can't and it is the player's fault, and what wondrous magic it must be that the players are actually playing as well as most people expected them to, now that there is no one calling them rubbish every day of the week.

{Ed025's Note - exactly CSM..


15.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 11:07:25
Ed025 I think he's a top coach that just wasn't right for us. i'd imagine he will go on and undoubtedly win more. Arse clown? I don't know him mate, many people that do know him seem to have a different opinion about him. Big fan of is? No, particularly not a fan of the way he handled certain issues and he tends to have this air around him when things are going wrong. But i'm not going to go OTT and say he singlehandedly destroyed united, that's just not true regardless of what you think of him.

{Ed025's Note - top coach? maybe at one time angel, but ask the supporters at real, chelsea or united and they will tell you different, hes a dinosaur and an egotistical one at that, spent squillions on players at these clubs yet had them all playing outdated football and thats why the 3 of them got shut of the special needs one, i know some people still rate him mate...but hopefully these people will be re-captured very soon and get the mental health care they really need.. :)


16.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 11:17:13
Then why weren't these players playing like this under the previous manager. It is because they are spoilt brats. You ahouldnt pick and choose who to play for . You are in a job and like in any job you should be trying your best and not whinging.

{Ed025's Note - because they were under motivated playing an out dated system and being led by a tyranical monster who constantly trashed them in the press?..


17.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 11:25:37
My post wasnt meant to be seen as a defence, just that he had some interesting things to say.


18.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 11:41:55
Singh the same player who was described as virus, has now played under 4 different managers other than mourinho, none of whom had an issue with him. Same with hazard, same with Ronaldo, yet some how it is player's fault.

look at how pogba has played since he left, he hasn't been any different than he was earlier. There isn't any extra tracking back or anything else, only difference is he isn't scared to make forward passes for the fear of losing the ball or having to play in a mid field 2 where he can't get into the box as much.

This is basically a manager who hasn't won as much or has that experience but just seems to understand that his got good attacking players and is allowing them to attack.


19.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 12:23:38
Hardly interesting enough to be debated with such vigour.


20.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 12:47:54
5hat monster must be something special if he only just won two trophies two years ago.

Any employee needs a structure behind him and if he doenst get that then he will fail. Mourinho didn't get what he wqnted and he failed.

There are many ways to win football and Mourinho has his own style and i get that some players don't suit him and that is the reason he failed.

Some would argue why didn't he adapt to the players he had then that should apply ro everyone. Pep shouldve adapted to what he had when he took over Man City and not buy a whole new defence to suit his needa or Klopp shouldve played with Balotelli and co rather then going and purchasin Mane and co.

I bet you if Guardiola or Klopp didn't buy those players they woukdve been sacked by now and they wouldn't be competing for the title this year.


21.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 13:50:03
Singh players should adapt is poor logic when most players you want to replace are the ones Mourinho himself bought.

If pogba did not suit his style maybe don't spend 100mn on him, if Sanchez is not what you want don't buy him, if you want good defenders, you should have bought other players and not bailly and lindelof. Maybe don't buy a midfielder for 50mn who doesn't suit your style and thus never play him.

Guardiola bought what he needed and uses them as such he did not have a falling out with sterling and stones and try and throw them under the bus he improved them, klopp has turned likes of wijnaldum, Milner, Shaqiri into decent players, Mourinho turned 2 world class players into rubbish, that's why they are competing and he is commenting.


22.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 13:54:11
I wouldn't say single handedly. Woodward retains some culpability. Why offer him a new deal then not back him. I can understand concerns regarding spending on players with little sell on value because of age. But why give him a contract if you already have those concerns.


23.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 16:18:22
Always needed money for success.
Got fortunate in his early job, lived a great career off the back of it.
Doesn't coach, he's a tactician not a coach.


24.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 21:52:28
Good post AJH.
I agree with most except the part about OGS not being the managerial prodigy. To me it’s too early to decide or not. We all need to learn and improve and he certainly does too. At least we know that he has SAF walking close behind guiding and mentoring him. There is still plenty of knowledge that SAF can transfer to him. We didn’t really see SAF near the previous 3 managers. I’m quite sure the legendary SAF would like to see OGS succeed.
All that said I’m not going to suggest if whonis the right manager. A lot of fans thought Moyes was right then same with LVG and certainly more thought Jose as well.
For me I’ll just support the club and go with whoever is appointed. If that manager is wrong it won’t take long to see through 😉.
For the time being let’s all just enjoy and not be too quick to criticize (not aiming at you AJH) . It’s difficult to please everybody 🤣.


25.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 21:54:49
I replied a post but doesn’t seem to be posted.
Anyway as far as Jose is concerned I never like him when he was not in Man Utd and still didn’t when he was with us. However I just supported just because he was part of the club. Now he is gone I’m back to my not liking him.
I do agree that he is a good manager (in his past) but that his tactics would probably not suit us and a bit outdated. He has not evolved. Sad but like some President said “bye bye” 🤣.


26.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 21:58:11
His second spell at Chelsea showed why he should have not been appointed as the manager.

He blamed everyone but himself.
Fortunately he didn't blame our physio like he did at Chelsea.

He will never admit to having made a mistake.

Well all tried to sum up energy to watch United play, but even shopping with the Mrs made more sense than watching United under Mourinho.

Mourinho's ego will be his downfall.

Woodward's running of the club can't be swept under the rug. A DOF is needed, we all know this, but Woodward is out of his depth with transfers etc.

Sponserships deals etc are his forte.


27.) 21 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 12:40:14
he had the chance to reflect on what happened at Chelsea and to a lesser degree at Madrid and think about if he perhaps needed to change or adapt in any way: it seems he didn't take that chance.

Singh, i am not excusing the players but I remember Scholes once threw his toys out of the pram. A good Manager understands how he needs to treat players to get the best out of them. Simply put, Jose was unable to get the best out of this group of players. All the other issues I listed were to highlight he deserved little sympathy, the bottom line is he did not get us playing attacking football, he had us languishing in 8th. As we are seeing now, if we have the ball and are attacking, it kind of stops the other team threatening.

I'm 100% with Ed, piece by piece Jose was dismantling everything we stand for. His press conferences were embarrassing, every time he opened his mouth I cringed. He deserves respect for what he has won, but he's been overtaken by a new breed who not only play football the right way, but are generally polite and engaging.

From the disagrees its clear we are pretty divided on this and its not always black and white. For me though, he should have never been allowed within 100 miles of our club.


28.) 21 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 17:28:34
Ed,

I think Mourinho was part of the problem because of the differences in ideas of management.

Mourinho wanted support and United didn't offer him.

The only people you can point fingers at is the person who decided to appoint Mourinho and give him a new contract.

I am pretty sure Mourinho will go elsewhere with his so called dinosaur tactics and win titles but unfortunalely its not going to be at United as we sacked him.

To be honest with you i am just enjoying the football right now and if Ole does well then i think we should give him the job.

{Ed025's Note - he was not part of the problem singh...he was the problem, as for him getting support..how about over £400m worth?, im afraid i just dont get the excuses people are making for him mate..