1.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 07:31:11
Great article ed. Points about guardiola echo my sentiments completely.

Not sold on him whatsoever. I think he's been extremely blessed with having already incredible squads and vast sums of money.

{Ed001's Note - that is the thing, even now if he wins the league does that make him a great manager? I am not convinced.}

2.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 08:40:30
There isn't another manager that gets his teams playing the way pep does imo.
Managing big teams big egos and winning big cups is an art in its self and pep does that very well .
One of the best managers in the world imo and that's why the big teams want him .
When he leaves city all the big clubs will be queuing up for pep because he delivers titles and a style of football that everyone wants .

3.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 08:36:14
Great read Ed001, very interesting and not much I disagree with. Although I feel you might have been slightly harsh on some of the younger managers on the list as I feel they have good potential and it might be a bit soon to judge them. But they have been overrated as it stands.
One name that didn't crop up on your list I see is Arsene Wenger. Personally I think he is the fore runner to Pep. Obsessed with playing a certain way to the point of neglect to other aspects of the game they feel are unimportant. People laud Arsene with changing the EPL, but did he? Or was that just the way football was going at the time. The bulk of his success was built on the defence he inherited plus the one good signing of Sol Campbell. Since then in 12 years he has struggled to maintain the same level of success as he has refused to teach his players how to defend.
I see People going the same way, he has just been blessed with having some of the best offensive players in the world at his disposal of the funds to buy them.

I'd love to see a similar list of managers you think are underrated or managers you think are top managers.

{Ed001's Note - the reason I left out Wenger is because he has lost a lot of his backers in the media lately and is now seen as a bit of a dinosaur by most.

I will put those on my to do list for you Shaps, glad you enjoyed that one.}

4.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 08:57:59
Wenger came in and changed the attitude of English football, looks well past it now .
Wenger and arsenal seem to have lost the ability to take players and teams to the next level .
Petit vieira Henry there are few more all come in and in there own way changed the game in England.
I think Wenger was a step ahead of the game when he first arrived in England but hasn't been able stay there seems to be trying to do all the same things .
Can't teach a old dog new tricks.

5.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 09:01:06
Totally agree on Pep, he has proven nothing since Barcelona and let's be honest any one of us could have managed that Barcelona team to success. He gets lauded by the media yet his time at Bayern who were the best around was regarded a failure and he's again thrown money around for no success with City, yeah his team attack well but He doesn't seem to be able to adapt to leagues different to Spain or be tactically aware ha teams cannot defend, but any tactical move he makes no matter how ridiculous it is, is praised as innovative, perception will have you believe he is the best around, proofs in the pudding tho, I'm not seeing any proof atm.

6.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 09:42:31
Who's a far better manager than pep then?
Is Jose, couldn't win a CL with Madrid or Chelsea did very well to win it with inter and Porto but boy did them 2 teams have some luck .
Madrid and Chelsea had huge spends during Jose time .
Pep didn't win a CL with bayern but dominated a the league in a way heynekes and many other Bayer managers couldn't.

You can pick holes in any managers cv want you can't do is add titles and pep has won 6 leagues and 2 CL in 8 seasons playing very entertaining football.

Is he the messiah the media make him out to be? Who listens to the media

Is he one of the best managers in the world? Yes imo.

7.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 10:07:20
Sounds like you're a bit hurt over pep jred.

8.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 10:20:55
Jred are saying that pep didn't have luck, because I remember them winning a CL final they would never have reached but for a blind ref who denied 3-4 legitimate penalty shouts against them v Chelsea. And as article says he took a Bayern team who were the best in Europe when he took over and got them humiliated by equal teams in CL, some real best manager stuff there. Also only reason he kept winning the Bundesliga the way he did is because he bought out his opponents best players, something he can't do that in England that easily, he didn't win the league last season, i wonder why.

9.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 10:28:25
Are we talking about the same guardiola that got beat 3 times in the row by spanish and italian team in the champions league.

10.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 10:41:47
Bit harsh saying pep has done nothing other than in Spain . In 3 year at Bayern won the league every year, did the double twice, won the uefa super cup and the FIFA club world cup. He won 7 trophies with Bayern in 3 year . Whether the club world cup and uefa super cup are truly competitive trophies is debatable but our manager counted the community shield as one . I do get the point pep hasn't had to learn the hard way with the teams he's had but he has won an awful lot and his teams are entertaining.

11.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 10:43:06
Angle
Not hurt pal it's a discussion, I think he is good manager same as I think Jose is .
Csm
Bayer have always bought the best in Germany from there rivals .

Again you can pick holes in any manager or players cv look at Jose in his last year at Chelsea sacked 4 points above relegation infact look at jose last stint at chelses, compare that to 3 titles in a row for pep at Munich.

He didn't win the league last year well only one manager did but to be fair he won 6 year titles in the previous 7 year who can say that?

I think Jose is a great manager but he spent a fourtune and only ended up 6th, still a top manager imo .

If pep is not a top manager then tell me who is?

12.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 10:45:27
I think pep is overrated, very lucky to have the squads he had. That barcelona team was very very special. He went to Bayern after that and won the german league, big woop. Best squad by miles, most money.

Now at City, has thrown 100's of millions at transfers and flattered to deceive last year.

If he doesn't manage to win anything this year, will he still be held in such high esteem by some? Or will he finally be seen as overrated.

Rijkard also won a lot with that barcelona team, how has his managerial career gone since leaving? He didn't walk into a team like Bayern afterwards.

13.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 11:02:01
Jred, I think you might have slightly missed the point. No one is saying Pep isn't a good manager, he clearly is. But is he as good as the media portraits? If not then no matter how good he is he is still overrated.

Pep maybe the best manager in the world, he certainly is one of them. But sections of the media try and portray him as the greatest manager ever? Which he isn't. So therefore he is overrated.

I love the way Pep's team move forward, offensively they are so fluid. But they do have a lack of fight, lack of defensive accumen and very rarely does he resort to a plan B. He has absolute belief that if his team keep going with plan A eventually it will work. That's either dangerous arrogant or painfully naive. He has flaws as a manager which the media like to skate over in order to portray him as the managerial God who has decended from heaven to teach us mere mortals how football should be played.

Very good manager, but overrated.

14.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 11:03:50
So who are all these great managers that are better than pep?
He didn't win the ECL with Bayern did win 7 trophies in 3 year tho .

Let's put the same standards and arguments to all these other great managers .

15.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 11:14:10
Shappy why should a manager be judged on what the media print .
Do people really take notice of the rubbish printed in the papers?

He was given the top job at Barcelona, Bayer and city for a reason he is clearly rated by people in the game I very much doubt that is based on what they have read in the rags .

I agree he is clearly one of the best managers in the world.

16.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 12:07:12
Based on your comments jred, I guess Zidane would be the best manager in the history of football. He has done something that no other manager, including the messiah, has never achieved. Back to back CL titles.

17.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 12:18:02
Isnt the original point of the post about the media overrating pep as the best ever manager. He ia a good manager but that is it.

Wenger has been playing similar attacking football for last 10 years and we all know how much he has won.

18.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 12:49:30
There are good managers out there, definitely.
Great manager? There are only but a few. One of the greatest was SAF. Arsene Wenger can be considered a better than good manager but not yet that great. So for me Pep is definitely nowhere near great. At least not for the time being. But he is a good manager.
A great manager has to perform over time and been through most difficult times and come out tops time and time again just like SAF.
So I would wholeheartedly agree that Pep is very much overrated now but he may become great in years to come. Definitely not now.

19.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 12:50:12
I think he's a good coach, especially in terms of attacking football. But not a good manager. Iffy track record in the market. Over reliant on one style. He's never had to build a team.

Big whoop about the bundesliga. Bayern has dominated that for 20 years apart from brief spells when they were in transition. And they just went and bought players off the challengers.

The pressure is on him this season after that spend. If he fails this year then next season its even more pressure. Then he'll be off.

20.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 13:30:51
In my opinion your only a great manager if you can rebuild teams while continuing success. SAF did it. Shankly, Paisley and Wenger to a certain degree. Pep and Jose have not been anywhere long enough to have to do that. Fergie built about six squads in his time. And we always competed. Walking into teams like Barca, bayern and Real, you know you have to win immediately. It's more about managing egos then training those kinds of players. Pep, Jose, Mancini etc all have their own egos to manage too. In my opinion the reason Fergie was so successful was that he made sure, no matter who the player was, that they knew that no-one is bigger than the club. That includes the manager.

21.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 14:22:48
Great read Ed001

Underrated Managers next?

{Ed001's Note - it is on the list but I don't know if it will be what I do next.}

22.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 14:56:07
Sean Dyche Utd Road. For me the most under-rated in the premier league.

WOuld love to read your thoughts on that ed001.

{Ed001's Note - I really rate Dyche, just wish he would keep his mouth shut at times. He has a tendency to sound like a whiner sometimes. Mostly about how no one rates him as well, funnily enough!}

23.) 26 Sep 2017
26 Sep 2017 15:59:16
I like Bielsa because of the way his teams play and he's a bit of a nutter.