02 Sep 2014 14:34:47
I think Chelsea and Liverpool are the Winners of this Transfer window.
Chelsea got everything spot on as early as August.
We have some brilliant players at the club and we have 6 points in the bag, with City and Spurs away already done.

Arsenal and Spurs have been big time dissapointment. don't see Spurs in the top 4 for many years. Arsenal ll have to play Metersacker at the back or even Flamini, If someone gets injured.

I don't wanna start at UTD, I don't see them beating a new look QPR TBH.

Many thanks to the Eds for their wonderful work behid the scenes.

Boom

Saw this post on the liverpool site
Deluded!

1.) 02 Sep 2014
02 Sep 2014 14:47:32
Haha them 6 points in the bag are everything at this stage.

2.) 02 Sep 2014
I have to agree that they have had the better start to the season - but their transfer window was an absolute shambles.

Liverpool should have known that Suarez would force his way out this summer and had a plan in place. Rodgers seemed like a fat kid in a candy store rather than a top flight manager with a reasoned plan.


We spent around £30m more and yet all of our signings were better than Liverpool's.

Falcao>Ballo+Origi+Lambert
Herrera>Lallana
Blind>Can
Di Maria>Marcovic
Shaw>Moreno
Rojo>Lovren

Chelsea 'won' the transfer window.

3.) 02 Sep 2014
02 Sep 2014 15:47:47
That is one of MANY posts that harry or whatever he calls himself now is deluded enough to say.

Its like AL feeling the need to jump over here and giving us his 'unbiased' opinions on our work and how it ain't right, while championing Lallana and Markovic etc.
I find it best to just read it and take it for what it is, comedy! I mean is there a player AL doesn't know about? If I remember right he hails from the USA so tbh I dnt know how he fits any sleep in with him a great watcher of all these leagues and the players in them, anyone would think when utd sign a player he quickly nips over to YouTube and gauges his opinions but then again that's just the cynic in me lol

4.) 02 Sep 2014
02 Sep 2014 15:51:00
Maybe Redseven. But we have addressed our most blatant issues. We needed most notably a left back. Got a great young one, then our other defensive reinforcements were welcomed. We needed more depth in our forward line, we've now got that.

You needed a commanding top CB and a dominant class centre mid. These issues remain IMO for you. However, there wasn't a great chance of getting all that in ine window, given what you did spend.

Just wondering what leads you to beleive Shaw is better than Moreno and Rojo is better than Lovren?? I have seen more for me to beleive otherwise, especially in the left back case.

Not gunna sit here and say your signings are terrible, Di Maria and Falcao will add vast amount of quality, Blind fits the system but seems like a glorified John O'shea to me. But he will help the team. I think the main thing what you've done is add the fear factor back, no one wants to play your forward line tbh.

At the end of that day, speaking as a Liverpool fan, as much as a I like to sit back and mock you lads, I'd rather be fighting at the top with you than city or Chelsea. It would be such a shame to see our great rivalry between to massive clubs to lose it's intensity.

5.) 02 Sep 2014
02 Sep 2014 16:01:16
You're deluded. If those players were so good (aside from Blind & Falcao who just joined) then why do united have 2 points and 1 less cup run? And don't get me started on the laughing stock that is Rojo's work permit.

6.) 02 Sep 2014
Redseven,
everyone is entitled to their opinion but its rather a naive assumption that any particular signing is better than any other one especially considering 5 of your signings hadn't played premier league football before last wknd.
These guys will need time to develop together as a team, settle into a new country, communicate together and adapt to both the physicallity and pace of the premier league.
While I don't doubt Utd have made some exceptional purchases and I'm not even concerned how much they cost or how much wages they earn as it didn't come from my pocket, I do feel predictions of grandeur are at best premature.
As far as our transfers, although maybe not the stellar signings that Utd might expect, have improved our squad in every position apart from Suarez.
But I am confident we will still compete as we are a more balanced, settled team.
As an honest impartial outsider looking in, I see an inconsistent season ahead for yourselves until Van Gaal gets both his ideas across and a settled team in place. I am sure you will win plenty of games after that.
Where you will finish come May will depend on how quickly that happens imho.

7.) 02 Sep 2014
02 Sep 2014 16:22:21
We will see who won anything besides the transfer window at the end of the season

8.) 02 Sep 2014
My brother is a liverpool fan, so there's always good banter to see which team is better! But I disagree with you completely! Yes Falcao is a world class player but who's to say he doesn't find the premier league as easy as la liga or his brief spell in France! Then you claim Herrera is better than lallana! We haven't even seen Herrera properly yet and lallana has got his move due to very good performances last year! Then you state rojo is better than lovren who was one of the best defenders last year in the league who is very vocal and keeps the defence in shape.
Next you state shaw is better while I hope he will and eventually think he will be better than monero but as of right now monero has the same amount of goals as shaw scored last season and looks a good defender as well.
Next with di Maria. Yes we paid too much money for him and is a very good player but he will obviously find this league much harder due to the physicality and Real Madrid having much better options upfront in ronaldo and bale and even benzema to some extent.
While I certainly hope that our players are better than there's, I think to say that at this early stage is ridiculous

9.) 02 Sep 2014
Is this conversation actually happening.
We are never going to agree because we stick up for our team.
3 games in and we are have stupid conversations like this.

However, the one thing that fascinated me was one of your lot said sterling is better or going to be better than Di Maria. Now that is deluded.

10.) 02 Sep 2014
02 Sep 2014 16:29:11
Ctr,
I think you'll find Al's trick is to ask Ed001s opinion of a player then to regurgetate it as his own opinion, I've noticed it a few times. Bless him.

11.) 02 Sep 2014
02 Sep 2014 16:36:05
Agree with simonpw to be honest, well summed up.

12.) 02 Sep 2014
02 Sep 2014 16:51:11
Northwestbest,

Not sure if you noticed but hardly any of the players we signed have played so far, so not sure judging our league form so far, as hilarious as being only 4 points behind your mighty Liverpool is for you, is actually the best way to do it.

13.) 02 Sep 2014
Hullred - You needed a top right back, a top left back, a commanding cb and a top goalkeeper (or at the very least a gk who can compete with Mignolet).

I think Moreno is a good signing (I prefer Shaw but appreciate that there's not much in it and that each of us will probably prefer our own player simply because we signed them) but Manquillo is young, unproven and will no doubt be called back to Atheltico if he starts playing well. Lovren is a solid defender (as is Rojo) - but I don't think either is the commanding presence our clubs needed. Both add depth to the defense though. Mignolet remains something of a liability.

As touched on above - there isn't too much between the players you mentioned (Shaw and Moreno + Rojo and Lovren). I prefer Shaw because he's younger, English and has experience in the EPL and I prefer Rojo because he's quicker and more versatile. I imagine Liverpool fans will argue it the other way - and given how little difference there is between them - that's fair enough.

I think both teams have their weaknesses; but we've done considerably more to address the weaknesses we had going into the window than Liverpool, imo. The loss of Suarez leaves your first team considerably weaker than it was last season as well - so I don't see how it could ever be viewed as a successful window for you. Again, just my opinion.

Northwestbest - I can't be bothered to find the numbers; but our new signings have something like ninety minutes of game time in the league this season between them because of injuries (and Rojo's work permit issue - which I admit is a little embarrassing). Once they're fit and have bedded in we will be tearing teams apart left right and center. Squirtle and Lovren will not know what hit them!

Simon - You speak as though football's aren't round anywhere else in the world. Of course it will take time for players to settle in and get used to playing together; but will Falcao forget how to kick a ball? Will Di Maria forget how to pick a pass?

Is it Naive to think that the best striker in the world is better than a spoilt brat who's better known for his antics off the pitch than on it, a 32 year old who will likely retire at the end of the season or a player who will not play for you this season? I don't think so.

As I said to Hullred earlier in this post; there is room for debate on a few of the signings this season - but for the most part it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell who had the better window.

14.) 02 Sep 2014
Redseven
It is not naive to say one player is better than another no. It is however naive to assume that another teams transfer window is a shambles because they didn't sign for utd. That no matter how good a player is, that he will automatically settle in and perform in the premier league. There are plenty of examples to support this.
The validity of your claim cannot be based on opinion. Only points and success in the future can back this up. I have no problem with some one having an opinion but when they presume something as fact that hasn't happened yet, well yes then that is naive.
I have given my opinion as I said not on transfer fees or wages but on the needs for both clubs. It wasn't a "my dad's bigger than your dad" argument. Balls maybe the same the world over as you say. The pace, physicality, intensity and lack of space however are quite different.
As I also said in the long run you will be ok. How long depends on each individual player, manager, system and team as a whole.
The difference between Utd and us is that we can integrate a little quicker with a settled squad and system, where as you have changed major personnel, a new system and a new manager.
Its not a criticism, its a fact. When you have a more balanced team you will obviously have more consistent results.

15.) 02 Sep 2014
So excited about the prospect of Di Maria,Falcao, van Persie and Rooney linking up front. I'm just wondering where Januzaj fits in. I'd like to see him play some games in the number 10 role as well as on the right.
I was a bit disappointed with Phelan's comments today. He's entitled to his opinion but at least van Gaal has seen what needs to be done and addressed it. Which is more than he ever did. I'm presuming Phelan is still looking for a job.
What does everyone reckon On Mata's future? He is being asked a big question of his ability I think. Still, it's one of those good problems: there are a lot of good attacking options available to van Gaal. Should bring the fear factor back if the goals start going in.

16.) 02 Sep 2014
Simon - My assertion that your transfer window was shambolic has nothing to do with the fact that I dislike Liverpool (funnily enough I quite like Rodgers and the way he plays football) and everything to do with the fact that Liverpool simply weren't prepared for the loss of Suarez.

You were given warning signs last summer and should have known that he would try to engineer a move away this summer (or at the very least had some sort of plan in place just in case he did). Moreno and Lallana aren't bad signings and by the looks of things were planned for - but the rest? I don't think so.

Liverpool's signings after Lallana seemed to have been plucked out of thin air with very little rhyme or reason. It's almost as if Rodgers felt the need to spend the money as quickly as possible. Maybe he was scared the owners would take it from him or perhaps he was just trying to appease the fans who were beginning to realise that these days Liverpool are little more than a selling club? I don't know - but in my opinion it was handled very poorly.

You've certainly added depth to your squad - but can you honestly say that you think that you have a better first 11 this window than last? I'd find it very difficult to believe you if you did. Liverpool weren't quite good enough last year and imo have taken a step backwards rather than making the changes which could have seen them finally win the Premier League this season.

Had you taken a measured approach you could have gone all out and signed quality in the positions you needed to reinforce. Instead you blew all of the money as quickly as possible and had to settle for a young, unproven right back on a loan deal and another season with Mignolet in goal. You still don't have the commanding, solid CB you've been crying out for since Carragher started to decline either.

I'm not sure when or where I ever asserted my opinion as fact - but if you'd like I can add 'in my opinion' to the beginning of every sentence in the future? In my opinion, that would probably make it easier for you to understand when I'm stating my opinion.

I've given my honest opinion just as you have given yours - and come the end of the season we will see whose was more accurate.

Unfortunately I don't feel the need to read/comment on the message board of another club - and you Liverpool fans only seem to have started coming over here in the last season (the first in 26 years) that Liverpool have out-performed us domestically - so I probably won't get the chance to tell you 'I told you so'; but come May when you finish fifth I like to think that you'll recall this conversation and reflect that your transfer dealings this summer were perhaps not quite as good as you first though.