20 Oct 2013 15:24:26
I had made a post which was rightfully put on the "Other posts" page. On a seperate note I wanted to discuss something that I had mentioned as a side note in that post.

Tom Cleverly! I think we have badly missed him since Fellaini has come in. Make no mistake, I am not a Cleverly fan and he is not our answer to the midfield shambles that SAF conveniently ignored for over 5 years. But atleast he moves when he passes tha ball. At least he is quick to pass it out and not cumbersome like Fellaini. I had high hopes of Fellaini, I thought he would let Carrick do the talking further up the pitch. It isent happening, they are not quite suited to each other. Fellaini's lack of pace is painful. He can't pass. Even 10 yard passes are either side of the player and not on his feet. He can't chase the game, other nimble/fast midfielders just run around him.

Clevs would have atleast done the running to support the numbers and released the ball quickly. Feel free to disagree, it is my opinion. I think Cleverly would have been brilliant with a player like Roy Keane. I genuinely hope Fellaini proves me wrong. Blame RVP, Rooney or anyone for that matter, you can't expect your forwards to play without any service. We virtually don't have a midfield, its just hoof ball.

It was a humbling lesson when Schneiderlin, Wanyama and Lallana gave us a thorough pasting at our own backyard. The desire and energy shown by the 3 of them was exemplary. I can't wait for Ben Pearson to bulk up! I know I am clutching at straws, but watching the u-18s and u-21s is just so much more fun.

Deeps.

1.) 20 Oct 2013
Good post Deeps.

I blame moyes for Fellaini signing which looks to be great business for Everton and us looking like the village person, but the teams general play and its lack of linkup play is a function of our midfield.

I believe a 5 man midfield is the best solution until we buy players but that means sitting one of the strikers which will not go down well with either of them or the fans.

We are clearly in transition and whatever he does is a compromise solution. Some people will say we should play Kagawa for his creativity but the trade off is we will suffer defensively unless we play a 5 man midfield.

At the moment Welbeck who is hopeless in my opinion is preferred due to his defensive qualities which is a shame.

I would like to see a misfield of Janusaj, Kagawa, Fellaini, Carrick, Valencia with one striker.

I am not sure if you follow italian football, but Roma sold what most considered their best offensive players and have changed their set up and become one stingy defensive unit and winning games they were not winning last year even though they looked more entertaining.

2.) 20 Oct 2013
Fellaini was awful yesterday, can't remember how many times he got caught on the ball or gave it away. But I do agree about the Cleverly thing, even though he is not going to dominate teams etc, he keeps things ticking over nicely and as you said, passes and moves. I noticed this yesterday more than ever and we did win the league with him and Carrick in the middle, so perhaps people do go a bit over the top about how pointless he is. I know who I would prefer next to Carrick at the moment.

3.) 20 Oct 2013
I posted about Schneiderlin before the game yesterday. I honestly think he will be a top player. He is only 23, and will dominate much better midfields than ours this season. I think he would be a great addition, and would cost a whole lot less than some that we have been linked with.

4.) 20 Oct 2013
Shahram

I share your opinion on Welbeck, hell yeah! Why and how is he preffered to others is beyond me. Anyone except Welbeck, and Rooney would have a very easy chance. And we won't be crying like crazy now. There is a lot of deadwood we need to dispose. Local lad and all but he is extremely poor.

Deeps.

5.) 20 Oct 2013
Slagging Welbz is clownshooz. Go and take a look at how good Dropgba was at his age. The naivity and expectation of young players on here is jokes. this used to be one of my fave sites. x

6.) 20 Oct 2013
Deeps, I agree with most of your post. We don't have a midfield at present and our frontmen are being asked to fire the bullets and make them as well!
Fellaini was a poor buy and Jones could do as well in that position, why we didn't buy Strootman is beyond me. In trying to be his own man and buy his own players David Moyes seems to have cut off his nose to spite his face. Does anyone remember the days when our midfield was Beckham, Keane, Scholes and Giggs!

7.) 20 Oct 2013
Paulo

Apparently we missed out on Thiago and Strootman because Moyes wanted to be his own man. It is a good thing to do, trying to be your own man. But no point looking daft by overriding things that so obviously were planned for sometime now. We need to play 3 in midfield going forward. RVP/Rooney based on form should see some bench time.

Fatfugazi

So a site remains your favorite till the posters resonate your view? Well played. It is not called slagging, it is called, open your eyes and see what's happening.

Deeps.

8.) 20 Oct 2013
Sorry Deeps, I think you may have misconstrued my humble assertions. in no way has the site become less appealing through the airing of rational and considered opinions founded in epistemology. my attention has wavered through the airing of opinions that seem inflammatory and almost, attention seeking. Did you check my Drogba/ Welbeck comparison at the same age? Again, I apologise for any offence that may have been taken from my drunken ramblings. x

9.) 20 Oct 2013
Fatfugazi

I think you are right, I may have misunderstood. I think all of us are having a tough time gettng the negativity out of our system.

All I wanted to say was, the reason Moyes brought Welbeck in was not to add an attacking player, but to ensure we have someone who had the legs and can defend. Is this what is left of one of our better academy products over the years? A defensive winger who does a job for the team? And if it was the other way round i.e us trying to attack, why did we not get a Hernandez or a Kagawa in?

Whatever has happened with Welbeck, I have no clue. But with the ball at his feet and a bright opening ahead, he regularly fluffs his lines. May be his confidence has gone for a toss being played out of position and more as a defensive influence. I watch a lot of youth football and am in awe of some of the talent that's coming through. But I can't categorize Welbeck as young anymore.

Well as far as the Drogba comparison is concerned, its more of an exception and not a rule per say. But if it does happen, hey ho, Humble pie for me my friend.

Deeps.

10.) 21 Oct 2013
Comparing Welbeck and Drogba is a hoot.

Welbeck needs 2 or 3 touches to get the ball under control and at the top level you never have that much time.

Deeps

2 years and he will be gone I reckon and no humble pie on this one, the boy is just not good enough.